Militant Islamists

[Dropped52]

I think there is a big difference between Islam's perversion and perverted catholics. I'm of the mindset that a child molester or any rapist for that matter should be punished harshly. Now Muslim radicals that want to murder in the name of Ala is a different matter, in their minds it's convert or die, so For me I'm not going to join up so. Maybe there needs to be an island for people like that, you know like in that ray leota movie No escape.

Originally Posted by swampthing 3rd

Expell them to where?

Would you also want every Catholic and Jew child abuser expelled? Or is child rape and male genital mutilation acceptable?

[Meini Hirion]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Is it time to start expelling Muslim extremists and those who are deemed to be a terrorist threat? There are so many Muslims on watch/do not fly lists in so many countries. Most do not seem to do much UNTIL they do. See France. Is it time to kick them out of their respective countries? Let them land wherever? Yes this seems racists for those who view it that way but face it - radical Muslims are the primary cause of death and destruction in today's world. Speak up people!!!

In the 1970s the Irish community came under threat and abuse in the UK, after bombings in shopping malls and pubs.

By the IRA.

The ex-pat Irish communities had buggggar all to do with those fanatics.


The IRA raised money in abundance to pay for their guns and bombs from the USA.
They killed and bombed hundreds of civilians - {in England and Ireland} as a result of those "romantic" donations from the US citizens.

Their former leaders are now in Government.

In the last week........
Over 30 Muslim businesses were attacked in Birmingham, UK...after that looney Emerson "terrorist expert" claimed on Fox News that Birmingham was a 100% Moslem city where no Christians dare tresspass.
Jesus wept.

radical Muslims are the primary cause of death and destruction in today's world

NOT !

I think you will find that it is the Russian and USA Governments that have killed the most people in the last 20 years...and destroyed the most .

How do you suggest we tackle that threat ?

[judy84]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

There is no human right to "not be offended" by what someone else has to say. No doubt the Hegbo cartoons did indeed cause offence; but when Islamo-Fascist spokesmen express hate and contempt for my country and its core values, it is not therefore either my duty o my right to seek them out and murder them. Nothing which was published by Charlie Hegbo offers any shred of an excuse for the crime which took place and I can think of no reason more compelling to buy and read the cartoons than as an act of resistance to the intimidation being orchestrated against our secular society by the Islamo-Fascists who support and endorse this foul and cowardly deed.

I would not condone these murderous attacks. However if we support such publications for upholding freedom of speech should we also support neo-fascist publications for the same reason?
I am very much anti-PC but accept that things i find funny are deeply offensive to other people.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by judy84

I would not condone these murderous attacks. However if we support such publications for upholding freedom of speech should we also support neo-fascist publications for the same reason?
I am very much anti-PC but accept that things i find funny are deeply offensive to other people.

Interesting post Judy. If you have free speech and a free press in a country and depending on that countries slander, libel, obscenity laws and such then yes I believe that, while heinous, it should be allowed (not supported). After all such hate ideas repulses a heck of a lot more than it draws in. It is my opinion that countries who are super strict breed an underground of discontent that leads to many more radicals or out right rebels. Also outlawing ideas like Holocaust denial just helps it's appeal to fringe nut cases that would have not given it a second thought, IMO.
I also am anti-PC and try and tweak those who are PC when ever I can. If they get offended they do not have to read, listen, or talk to those that offends them.

[shagger]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

First for this poor old American what is an RC?

RC=Roman Catholic

Secondly, IMO, even if Hebdo was trying for a reaction, it is legal in France and should not have been punished with murder most foul. If the Muslim's don't like it why kill?

Thats my entire point its wrong to provoke such a reaction by being d icks in the first place, the resultant murders are also very wrong but cause and consequence.

Why not take them to court as Sarkozy did? My guess? No Sharia law so they can't get any pain and suffering from the other party?

In france many civil cases from christians have been rejected, because of so called freedom of speech, so muslims wouldn't have fared any better

Personally I think it is just because Muslim's in general and not just radicals are taught to see any culture outside of theirs as inferior and not worthy of respect. Hell even among themselves (Sunni and Shiite) they murder in the name of Allah.

sorry thats just racist and wrong!

How do you know the writers and cartoonists had no religion? Did all 12 of them admit in writing or in public that they were atheists?

the majority of hebdo are non religious and its been remarked upon many times in their paper, last aprils edition being a prime example.

Just because you make fun of something does not mean you have the right to slaughter them. Even if you feel that way what about the ancillary people that were killed? The cops and the four Jewish men? They had nothing to do with the magazine.

Thats my point murder is wrong, but it was provoked, and to say it wasnt is a fallacy

So I take it you are for PC censor ship of any thing that might upset any body?

I think theres a clear line between upsetting people by purpose/design and making fun of things

Glad you are not running things.

LOL I'll bet, maybe I am! It's just common decency: do unto others

Ah Feck!

[shagger]

Originally Posted by Dropped52

I think there is a big difference between Islam's perversion and perverted catholics. I'm of the mindset that a child molester or any rapist for that matter should be punished harshly. Now Muslim radicals that want to murder in the name of Ala is a different matter, in their minds it's convert or die, so For me I'm not going to join up so. Maybe there needs to be an island for people like that, you know like in that ray leota movie No escape.

no normal muslim thinks that (the vast majority of them anyway), is it me or is this thread becoming extremely racist and distasteful

[scoundrel]

There are some legal limits on freedom of speech in France, as in most countries; for example the Charlie Hegbo publication was once forbidden by court order to publish a cartoon which the court was satisfied to be anti-semitic in nature. But when something offends you it is necessary to exercise self-control.

The Charlie Hegbo murderers were Frenchmen. Who, if not France, would have the honour of harbouring such wretches as they? Likewise, unless a just (and hopefully slow and ghastly) death catches up with him first, Britain's very own Beatle, Jihadi John, will have to come back here someday. Britain has no right to expect some other country to deal with Britain's excrement. But if they are competent, and on the whole they usually are, the British secret services will be on alert for his return and there will be a welcome in the hillsides he won't enjoy. Any American adherents of ISIL should go back to America which is where they belong; and it is the duty of the American authorities to both punish them and neutralise the threat they represent to public safety. I quite the idea of locking them up for whole-of-life in one of those Supermax prisons. The best we British can do is to send them to the severe personality disorders unit at HMP Frankland, in County Durham, where our most disliked offendors go in order to have jugs of fully heated cooking oil poured over their heads.

[shagger]

Originally Posted by cicciobuki

it was also designed to make people think. And to make people laugh. 2 things that are not happening enough anymore these days.

That cartoon I doubt made anyone with any taste laugh.

Not just another cartoon, a whole new magazine in fact (and i've seen it, it is rather ugly, as they've always been, but IMO that cover isn't bad: the prophet saying he's a Charlie -> not agreeing with the violence of radical muslims, although of course many people will be offended nevertheless, that's what people seem to love to do).

Thas exactly why its wrong

But yes, it is not a smart/safe choice if you don't wanna get killed by crazy people.

Aren't they just obeying the law here? Is obeying the law hypocrite?

No they're hypocrites for saying they believe in free speech but then are OK to bow to a mere threat from sarkozy and stop a publication, but go all out to offend those of a religious persuasion. The courts in france kick out most religious press and political complaints but in this case and many others like when they made fun of lagardes EU quest it was again a cause to block publications, they are hypocrites for that reaason.

So it's ok when a religious person mocks another religion, but not when an atheist does it?

no its never OK to attack sincere convictions of any person

But wat is provocative? people can be insulted by anything and everything, so the only solution would be to ban everything. Or send everyone to jail.

No, not at all just by banning things that are plainly offensive, particularly to race and religion

thats my take anyway

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by shagger

no normal muslim thinks that (the vast majority of them anyway), is it me or is this thread becoming extremely racist and distasteful

People are very unhappy and unwilling to turn the other cheek just now. It isn't racist, though it may be distasteful, to feel and express ill will towards people who want to wage aggressive war against your society and your nation. It is racist if you extend that ill will in a blanket manner against all people from another community on the basis that many of the terrorists originate from that community. Older British members will remember the virulent anti-Irish sentiment which was widespread in the UK after the Guildford and Birmingham pub bombings. However, when I read that large riots have occurred in Pakistan as mobs of people take to the streets to denounce the cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed published by Charlie Hegbo after the murders, and I think about the total silence of these same people when a vile crime was perpetrated in the name of their religion, I do feel that it is time to speak plainly on these matters. Muslims are not exempt from simple and universal moral rules and may not hide behind their religion when taxed with the right of the rest of us to live peaceful lives without having to worry in case someone thinks we have offended the Prophet. There are quite a few Muslims who have shown that they do not believe Unbelievers have any such rights, and it appears to me that we do need to have this misunderstanding of the rules clarified and nailed down.

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by shagger

No, not at all just by banning things that are plainly offensive, particularly to race and religion

So if you're offended by me saying that your god doesn't exist, i should get silenced?



edit: you realize that porn (and hence this whole forum) is offensive to a lot of people too?