President Donald Trump's Final Days...

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Hah . . . if only.

While Trump defers to no toddler in immaturity and whininess, I fear that he's not undone. I doubt that this will hurt him with the folks who like him. The folks who are appalled-- have loathed him all along.

He'll stir the pot of outrage when it suits him, and his supporters will love it.

That's what the polls say, but it is important to remember that Republicans and Trump voters in particular are a minority. The Democrats always have to work hard to get out the vote and mistreating children is an issue that resonates with voters.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...lly-unpopular/

Most voters won't realize that the tent cities are housing teen boys arriving alone. Expect lots of pictures and sounds of crying kids in the pre-November ads. And how soon are Chinese and European targeted trade retaliations going to start hurting Midwestern voters?

https://www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/w...-1258464835555
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...r-trump-voters

The senate votes to impeach Trump aren't there and he keeps handing the Dems new ammunition to attack GOP congressmen. Voters increasingly are not with him. Are you aware that Nixon had nearly 40% of the voters with him even after he resigned? You can't survive losing the 20% swing voters in the middle.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/22/174924...ixon-watergate

But if I were betting money, I would bet that Trump is still around in 2020. He is the best thing to happen to the Democratic party since Herbert Hoover.

[frank07]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

They left out the "chain migration" of her parents and sister.




That's what the polls say, but it is important to remember that Republicans and Trump voters in particular are a minority. The Democrats always have to work hard to get out the vote and mistreating children is an issue that resonates with voters.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...lly-unpopular/

Most voters won't realize that the tent cities are housing teen boys arriving alone. Expect lots of pictures and sounds of crying kids in the pre-November ads. And how soon are Chinese and European targeted trade retaliations going to start hurting Midwestern voters?

https://www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/w...-1258464835555
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...r-trump-voters

The senate votes to impeach Trump aren't there and he keeps handing the Dems new ammunition to attack GOP congressmen. Voters increasingly are not with him. Are you aware that Nixon had nearly 40% of the voters with him even after he resigned? You can't survive losing the 20% swing voters in the middle.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/22/174924...ixon-watergate

But if I were betting money, I would bet that Trump is still around in 2020. He is the best thing to happen to the Democratic party since Herbert Hoover.

Sure he'll be there in 2020. And maybe even 2024. Never underestimate the Democrats capacity to fuck up a sure thing.

Trump will never lose his base. He's the anti-Obama. What Obama was to liberals and progressives, Trump is to bigots and regressives. Where Obama said "Yes, We Can!" Trump says "No, You Can't!".

[Reclaimedwg]

Then there is this that the media took and distorted to push their own agenda:

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/62261...ed-from-mother

Obama did the same thing when he was President: separating children and parents that were caught entering the USA illegally.

But no one said anything back then: not one whimper from the liberal media.

[scoundrel]

This child migrant story will fade into the background, provided Mr Trump does not welch on his commitment to keep illegal immigrant families in detention together. He has done so many other heinous things, but most people have memories like goldfish and only attend to the latest story.

Like it or not, Mr Trump has a better popularity rating than President Obama had at the same point in his first term. Meanwhile I can see nothing showing from the Democrats which could conceivably be described as inspiring. No positive messages, no coherent alternative agenda, nothing which opponents of Mr Trump could rally behind. I would definitely put my money on Donald Trump for 2020 if I were betting today.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

This child migrant story will fade into the background, provided Mr Trump does not welch on his commitment to keep illegal immigrant families in detention together. He has done so many other heinous things, but most people have memories like goldfish and only attend to the latest story.

Like it or not, Mr Trump has a better popularity rating than President Obama had at the same point in his first term. Meanwhile I can see nothing showing from the Democrats which could conceivably be described as inspiring. No positive messages, no coherent alternative agenda, nothing which opponents of Mr Trump could rally behind. I would definitely put my money on Donald Trump for 2020 if I were betting today.

I agree with all of that, except the idea that Trump will pay any cost for failing to deliver on a commitment. This is a man who's made overpromise/underdeliver his personal golden rule

[seany65]

Originally Posted by cicciobuki

Sorry but it is not a fake photo.


It's 2 'real' photos imposed on a 'non-photographic' flat red background.

Which is a clear message that it has no intention to be confused with or to be mistaken for a real single photo.

But it's meant to portray a situation that never existed ie: That the girl was separated from her mother by evil Trump, when all that happened was the tired and hungry girl (who was put in that situation by her mother) started to cry, and in news bulletins we were told that she cried because she was separated from her mother by evil Trump, though not quite in those words.

Knowing this the magazine still used the image of the girl as if she had been separated from her mother by evil Trump, and to re-inforce that idea they mashed it up with a photo of evil Trump, a specific photo that makes evil Trump seem to be looking at the girl.

The situation is exactly the same that occurs during a criminal trial when either prosecution or defence say something they know to be false/not quite true and knowing that the judge will probably tell the jury to ignore it but also knowing that it will stay in the minds of the jury.

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by seany65

But it's meant to portray a situation that never existed ie:

I see your point.

But it is not intended to portray an actual situation, think of it as a cartoon or a visual editorial, using photo's and juxtaposition. I assume the choice for red as the background is an accusing finger to the republicans? (i'm not following this thing closely so i might be wrong on details).



I admit i am more interested in the "artistic" side than the political side of this cover illustration

Knowing this the magazine still used the image of the girl as if she had been separated from her mother by evil Trump, and to re-inforce that idea they mashed it up with a photo of evil Trump, a specific photo that makes evil Trump seem to be looking at the girl.


The situation is exactly the same that occurs during a criminal trial when either prosecution or defence say something they know to be false/not quite true and knowing that the judge will probably tell the jury to ignore it but also knowing that it will stay in the minds of the jury.

Certainly.


It happens all the time though, on both sides. I should say on many sides

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by wildtig2013

Then there is this that the media took and distorted to push their own agenda:

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/62261...ed-from-mother

Obama did the same thing when he was President: separating children and parents that were caught entering the USA illegally.

But no one said anything back then: not one whimper from the liberal media.

If the parents are arrested and charged with a crime, the child is separated from the parent because children are not confined with adults in the criminal justice system. What changed was that Nielsen/Sessions/Trump began to charge parents with crimes merely for attempting to enter and using those charges to separate the children. This policy was started as a terror tactic to discourage refugee families from trying to get asylum or otherwise enter the U.S. Obama did not press the misdemeanor charges so the families could be kept together.

I really do wish that folks would get their facts straight and stop claiming that Obama was given a pass by the immigrants rights advocates. Here is a small sample of articles written during the Obama administration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.c863999b60a1

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...n_6188450.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...s-obama-217378

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/29/u...migration.html

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/nati...266504061.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...trayal/379839/

And here is more recent liberal beating on Obama for his immigration policies.

https://mashable.com/2018/06/20/obam.../#yvV_WxLxbkq4

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-hi...h-trump-2018-6

I don't know which drugs Kelly, Nielsen, and Sessions were taking when they decided on the policy change. For one thing it is way more expensive. (Sessions is going out of his way to create government contracts for the private prison crowd. Why? He is obviously in their pocket, but how is he getting paid?) Secondly, this shit storm around "toddlers in cages" was entirely predictable. Trump didn't pull this tactic out of thin air. If one didn't know better, it might be thought that General Kelly is trying to sabotage the GOP in the November 2018 midterm elections. But Sessions should have known better. Perhaps being from Alabama where blatant racial discrimination is alive and well blinded him to how this policy was going to play in the national media.

We in the blue states like to practice our racism covertly and use our hypocrisy to delude ourselves. Border separations are a perfect outrage generator to allow us to continue to squash affordable housing projects while feeling morally superior to the red states. Smart politicians know these things, but we seem to have forgotten how to elect smart politicians

If I am reading the polls right the Democrats may flip enough seats to get a narrow majority in the House. At best, they may flip the Senate, but it is more likely that they will suffer a net loss of 2 seats. Thus, more gridlock is in store.

This is not good news for the GOP. The economy is teetering, but the meltdown and layoffs likely begin next year. By 2020, many people will be hurting and that "big beautiful tax cut" will do virtually nothing for Middle America.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

If I am reading the polls right the Democrats may flip enough seats to get a narrow majority in the House. At best, they may flip the Senate, but it is more likely that they will suffer a net loss of 2 seats. Thus, more gridlock is in store.

This is not good news for the GOP. The economy is teetering, but the meltdown and layoffs likely begin next year. By 2020, many people will be hurting and that "big beautiful tax cut" will do virtually nothing for Middle America.

In order to benefit from an income tax cut, one must first have some income to be taxed. Otherwise, you are one of the much misprised economically inactive people who tend not to vote Republican as a general rule.

However, gridlock in the US legislature has become the unremarkable norm. For example, now that the Trump administration have been obliged to pass an executive order on the child migrants issue when they were trying to use it as leverage to force the Democrats in Congress to cooperate on immigration law reform, a more astute Democrat block in Congress would offer very publicly to engage with the Trump administration and negotiate on its own terms rather than those of Mr Trump. If they were paying attention in 2016, they might remember that their softness on immigration worked against them in that electoral cycle.

It is much more likely though that the Democrats will make no effort to engage with the Trump administration and will choose paralysis instead of achievement. It is not preferable to achieve positive outcomes for the US people, but rather it is preferable to maximise the failure of the Trump administration.

[BustyWomenLovr]

"This is why facts matter, and why your side will never tell you them"

Which side are you talking about?
If facts mattered and the right wasn't so easy to swing, we might have a real Republican in the WH, instead of a poseur.