The Football Thread - Page 938

**pierrelm** · October 8th, 2012, 02:51 PM

There's a very simple way to prevent 'simulation' -ffs, call it 'cheating' and be done with it - second only to those who grab their face as if they've been raked by the sharpened talons of an enraged Gyrfalcon (the Ukraine gave some wonderful recent examples), when slight contact has been made.
George 'envelope' Graham had the best cure for diving. Apparently he hated it and operated a zero tolerence at Leeds when he was in charge. Much to the dismay of the recently signed JFHasselbaink, who when he came to Leeds suffered from the 'assassin in the stand' syndrome. He was soon cured by GG's training regime - he instructed the other players to kick the diving Dutchman at every opportunity in training until he learned to stay on his feet and stop moaning and diving. It worked. Well, the diving bit anyway. It's down to the clubs themselves to man up, stop being such sanctimonious hypocrites and to eradicate the antics of Ashley Young, Suarez and countless others.

I watched Leeds Rhinos beat Warrigton in a cracking RL final at the weekend and the contrast with out footballers diva behaviour was all too apparent. Now hold your breath, because apparently, one of the Warrington players ruptured a testicle during the game

and played on,

and then had it surgically removed afterwards!!!

**renno61** · October 8th, 2012, 02:58 PM

the fa is gutless
it should act witout bias, diving should be a two match ban, stamping 3 match ban, elbow to the face 3 match ban. 8 match for race ,6 month for drugs ,3 years for match fixing.
managers regardless of who they are should be banned if they talk about refs before games.
refs should be punished for bad performance and if they dont improve dropped by premiership.(too many strange decisions) ref should have to talk to press after game .

the fa should be independent fron any league in england ,no team should have a member on the board. 12 month contract . then a new board is selected,not by team but from a independent judge.

**Markus R** · October 8th, 2012, 04:59 PM

I think it says a lot about a player who simulates it. I think most of us would be downright embarrassed looking at ourselves broadcast to millions (even billions) of people around the world. While I respect the ability of both Suarez and Bale I find the simulation a disgrace. Have they no shame when they see it on tv?

**jokerman** · October 8th, 2012, 10:27 PM

On the diving/simulation issue. It would appear that we all agree that it's disgraceful. However one of the biggest problems with this is that club managers tolerate it when their players are doing it & get away with it. They only condemn it when happens to their team.

This will only stop when all managers denounce it. And as we all know that'll never happen.

**Roger Allott** · October 11th, 2012, 08:14 PM

Fabio Borini has broken a bone in his foot while training with Italy's U21 squad. story here

This leaves Liverpool with only Suarez as a recognised striker, and only an assortment of teenagers as injury cover. Brings the sense of loaning out Andy Carroll to West Ham into sharp focus again!

**buttsie** · October 12th, 2012, 06:03 AM

Liverpool wont miss him given his tally of 0 goals in the EPL
1 goal in 11 appearances

10 million pounds well spent to go with last seasons excellent buys

The lack of fluency all throughout the Liverpool side is alarming and speaks of a team that will be lucky to sneak into the top 6.

As for the ideas that Liverpool become Swansea and play out from the GK
Reina almost gifting Stoke 2 Goals should kill that stone dead.

**victor meldrew** · October 12th, 2012, 11:12 AM

An interesting little speach. Wishful thinking, or could this happen?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19924802

**Roger Allott** · October 12th, 2012, 12:20 PM

I think a European league is inevitable, and frankly a damn good thing so long as there's a proper mechanism for relegation and promotion.

The practicalities though are immense. Each UEFA country's FA would need to withdraw from their respective TV licence arrangement and work out how big a piece of the Euro-pie they get in return. Those negotiations would be long, drawn out and hostile.

It'll happen, but not quickly. And if Rangers think they'll be included, good luck to them. They certainly wouldn't be there at the moment if I had my way. Entrance to such a European league must be determined by performance on the pitch. Anything else will be a sham reminiscent of US sports.

**Markus R** · October 12th, 2012, 12:29 PM

I just have severe concerns for the grass roots of the game. The have's will have and the have not's will be consigned to obscurity. If there ends up a European League I wouldn't be surprised if there would eventually be calls for a European National team.

**m100** · October 12th, 2012, 12:48 PM

Three thoughts:

don't think a european league will happen or work. And Rangers would never have been and will never be in it if it did. Based on which european successes would they be in. Celtic certainly wouldn't get in and they've won a european cup. You can't simply take out the top couple of teams in each league (rangers aren't exactly running away with the scottish third division are they, I haven't seen any Rangers 10 - opposition nil scorelines yet, which given this statement implying that they are better than anyone else in scotland and most of europe you would expect). Would liverpool get in? On current form no, historically yes they'd be one of the first but if they were allowed in on history alone wouldn't they be liable to becoming the whipping boys? A european league with a club who has won so many trophies across the board would be a joke. is it going to be a closed shop, will there be relegation - to where ? once the likes of ac milan, barcelona etc have walked out on their leagues taking their respective tv rights with them why should the italian fa etc accept them back when they have a bad season?

For once i'm expecting england to hit double figures tonight (no not in corners, throw in's or bookings).

I'm also expecting it to be only a matter of days before someone involved in the policing of hillsbrough commits suicide.

October 8th, 2012, 02:51 PM	#9371
pierrelm Vintage Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Midst the fen mists Posts: 5,450 Thanks: 55,798 Thanked 72,920 Times in 5,422 Posts	Going Down..! There's a very simple way to prevent 'simulation' -ffs, call it 'cheating' and be done with it - second only to those who grab their face as if they've been raked by the sharpened talons of an enraged Gyrfalcon (the Ukraine gave some wonderful recent examples), when slight contact has been made. George 'envelope' Graham had the best cure for diving. Apparently he hated it and operated a zero tolerence at Leeds when he was in charge. Much to the dismay of the recently signed JFHasselbaink, who when he came to Leeds suffered from the 'assassin in the stand' syndrome. He was soon cured by GG's training regime - he instructed the other players to kick the diving Dutchman at every opportunity in training until he learned to stay on his feet and stop moaning and diving. It worked. Well, the diving bit anyway. It's down to the clubs themselves to man up, stop being such sanctimonious hypocrites and to eradicate the antics of Ashley Young, Suarez and countless others. I watched Leeds Rhinos beat Warrigton in a cracking RL final at the weekend and the contrast with out footballers diva behaviour was all too apparent. Now hold your breath, because apparently, one of the Warrington players ruptured a testicle during the game and played on, and then had it surgically removed afterwards!!!

October 8th, 2012, 02:58 PM	#9372
renno61 Vintage Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 972 Thanks: 7,310 Thanked 10,231 Times in 968 Posts	the fa is gutless it should act witout bias, diving should be a two match ban, stamping 3 match ban, elbow to the face 3 match ban. 8 match for race ,6 month for drugs ,3 years for match fixing. managers regardless of who they are should be banned if they talk about refs before games. refs should be punished for bad performance and if they dont improve dropped by premiership.(too many strange decisions) ref should have to talk to press after game . the fa should be independent fron any league in england ,no team should have a member on the board. 12 month contract . then a new board is selected,not by team but from a independent judge. Last edited by renno61; October 8th, 2012 at 03:28 PM..

October 8th, 2012, 10:27 PM	#9374
jokerman Internet Defective Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: England Posts: 4,835 Thanks: 72,915 Thanked 71,268 Times in 4,832 Posts	On the diving/simulation issue. It would appear that we all agree that it's disgraceful. However one of the biggest problems with this is that club managers tolerate it when their players are doing it & get away with it. They only condemn it when happens to their team. This will only stop when all managers denounce it. And as we all know that'll never happen. __________________ I am not a number I'm a free man.

October 11th, 2012, 08:14 PM	#9375
Roger Allott Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 7,937 Thanks: 10,958 Thanked 155,895 Times in 8,000 Posts	Fabio Borini has broken a bone in his foot while training with Italy's U21 squad. story here This leaves Liverpool with only Suarez as a recognised striker, and only an assortment of teenagers as injury cover. Brings the sense of loaning out Andy Carroll to West Ham into sharp focus again! __________________ *If you don't want your beliefs ridiculed, don't have ridiculous beliefs.*

October 12th, 2012, 12:20 PM	#9378
Roger Allott Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 7,937 Thanks: 10,958 Thanked 155,895 Times in 8,000 Posts	I think a European league is inevitable, and frankly a damn good thing so long as there's a proper mechanism for relegation and promotion. The practicalities though are immense. Each UEFA country's FA would need to withdraw from their respective TV licence arrangement and work out how big a piece of the Euro-pie they get in return. Those negotiations would be long, drawn out and hostile. It'll happen, but not quickly. And if Rangers think they'll be included, good luck to them. They certainly wouldn't be there at the moment if I had my way. Entrance to such a European league must be determined by performance on the pitch. Anything else will be a sham reminiscent of US sports. __________________ *If you don't want your beliefs ridiculed, don't have ridiculous beliefs.*

October 8th, 2012, 04:59 PM	#9373
Markus R Vintage Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,268 Thanks: 17,259 Thanked 20,412 Times in 1,251 Posts	I think it says a lot about a player who simulates it. I think most of us would be downright embarrassed looking at ourselves broadcast to millions (even billions) of people around the world. While I respect the ability of both Suarez and Bale I find the simulation a disgrace. Have they no shame when they see it on tv?

October 12th, 2012, 06:03 AM	#9376
buttsie Porn Archeologist Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: earth Posts: 12,714 Thanks: 92,252 Thanked 241,301 Times in 12,746 Posts	Liverpool wont miss him given his tally of 0 goals in the EPL 1 goal in 11 appearances 10 million pounds well spent to go with last seasons excellent buys The lack of fluency all throughout the Liverpool side is alarming and speaks of a team that will be lucky to sneak into the top 6. As for the ideas that Liverpool become Swansea and play out from the GK Reina almost gifting Stoke 2 Goals should kill that stone dead.

October 12th, 2012, 11:12 AM	#9377
victor meldrew Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: At the bottom of an empty glass Posts: 15,778 Thanks: 531,920 Thanked 180,037 Times in 15,766 Posts	An interesting little speach. Wishful thinking, or could this happen? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19924802

October 12th, 2012, 12:29 PM	#9379
Markus R Vintage Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,268 Thanks: 17,259 Thanked 20,412 Times in 1,251 Posts	I just have severe concerns for the grass roots of the game. The have's will have and the have not's will be consigned to obscurity. If there ends up a European League I wouldn't be surprised if there would eventually be calls for a European National team.

October 12th, 2012, 12:48 PM	#9380
m100 Vintage Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,505 Thanks: 5,110 Thanked 11,919 Times in 1,489 Posts	Three thoughts: don't think a european league will happen or work. And Rangers would never have been and will never be in it if it did. Based on which european successes would they be in. Celtic certainly wouldn't get in and they've won a european cup. You can't simply take out the top couple of teams in each league (rangers aren't exactly running away with the scottish third division are they, I haven't seen any Rangers 10 - opposition nil scorelines yet, which given this statement implying that they are better than anyone else in scotland and most of europe you would expect). Would liverpool get in? On current form no, historically yes they'd be one of the first but if they were allowed in on history alone wouldn't they be liable to becoming the whipping boys? A european league with a club who has won so many trophies across the board would be a joke. is it going to be a closed shop, will there be relegation - to where ? once the likes of ac milan, barcelona etc have walked out on their leagues taking their respective tv rights with them why should the italian fa etc accept them back when they have a bad season? For once i'm expecting england to hit double figures tonight (no not in corners, throw in's or bookings). I'm also expecting it to be only a matter of days before someone involved in the policing of hillsbrough commits suicide.