Current or modern politics in the United States

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by HugoHackenbush

Frankly, I don't understand why the right wing has their panties in a bunch over AOC. She is ONE of 435 Representatives.

Well, it's not what she is but more what she represents and also it is not just a right-wing that is worried but also the moderates also look a little uneasy. They see her as a harbinger of change and a change that as of right now they cannot control. They see her as a start of something that is not good for them and when I say them I'm not talkin about the representatives themselves , but the money behind them.

[DTravel]

Originally Posted by dill99

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation has reached its conclusion and his report has been submitted to the United States Attorney General's office.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/22/polit...ort/index.html

Now we know the REAL fun is starting....

[TheBare]

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Says the guy who gets free health care.

Obviously you have absolutely no idea of the healthcare system in Canada
They've recently broken down into a 2 tiered system whereby non life threatening cases are handled at certain facilities and wait times for those facilities are between 5 and 6 hours if not more. Took me over 8 hours to get 9 stitches in my foot.
You want a cat scan mri or hip surgery etc. be prepared to wait from 6 months to a year and a half.
Doctors in Canada refused to accept a raise in pay> To their credit.

Yeah, they are threatening to give us universal health care and free education. Oh, the Horror!

I guess it's fine with you 'cause I'm sure that you would not be contributing as much as you sucked out of the system. If you were being taxed for it you would not be so eager to spend other peoples money. Socialism works great until you run out of other people's money.

All the right wing nuts do is kill people, but those awful lefties, they disrupt traffic.

Now I know that you are totally delusional

But you need not cross the shining seas to experience violence, destruction of property and a general dismantling of liberal values from the political left. You could simply visit America’s elite college campuses like Yale or Middlebury or Berkeley, where tomorrow’s leaders attempt to shut down conservative voices with protest or riots. At Middlebury, rioting students landed liberal professor Allison Stanger in a neck brace for the crime of defending a conservative academic’s right to speak. At Berkeley, mobs of students created a “war zone” ahead of a planned visit from conservative provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, injuring Trump supporters and causing $100,000 in damages.

Or head to Portland, Ore., one of the most liberal cities in the nation in the heart of the progressive Pacific Northwest, which this month Politico labeled “America’s Most Politically Violent City.” The progressive paradise —where Republicans are virtually an extinct species — has witnessed millions in damages attributed to the same types of anti-fascists-in-name-only that kept Hamburg residents paralyzed in fear this month. A “counter-protest” to a planned pro-Trump rally landed 14 antifa in jail for attacking the police with explosives and bricks.

Witness the blood-soaked congressional baseball field in Alexandria, Va., site of the June attack on U.S. Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., and other Republicans batting up for their annual bipartisan game. James Hodgkinson, a “fervent supporter of progressive politics,” showed up to the field with a rifle, a handgun and a hit list of Republicans. As Scalise fought for his life, MSNBC host Joy Reid felt conflicted: The attempted assassination was a “delicate thing” because of Scalise’s conservative views like opposition to gay marriage. “Are we required in a moral sense to put that aside in the moment?” she wondered. Yes, Joy, you are. The shooting of a mainstream, congressional Republican leader is reprehensible, and in no way justifiable.)

Now cross the Potomac and visit the halls of Congress, where Democratic lawmakers have accused Republicans of murder for supporting an overhaul to the spiraling, ruined Obamacare program, which by next year will leave dozens of counties without a single option for insurance. Reasonable people can disagree about how much our Medicaid program should grow without comparing the Republican bill to 9/11, as Sen. Bernie Sanders, the independent from Vermont, did recently. Or saying the health care bill is paid for with “blood money” of dead Americans, as Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., tweeted shortly after the Scalise attack. If our sitting senators don’t act more responsibly, who will?

Instead of retweeting, liberals who care about preserving our political system should be outraged that these are the standard-bearers of their party.

Nobody is directly responsible for a shooting except the shooter, and nobody throws a brick except the person who picks it up. No side has a monopoly on political violence. There are loonies at the fringes of every political movement — mentally ill, perturbed and paranoid — who can be stirred toward violence or dissuaded from it.

But when we have Democratic senators accusing political opponents of murder, when our college campuses descend into assault zones for conservative speakers (or those who defend them), when our major cities become playgrounds for far-left rioters and the news media gloss over it, we move toward a more violent and fractured society, not a safer one.

If gay people were pouring into bars and punching straight people, I as a gay man would speak out. If Jews were propagating terror in the name of our religion, I would condemn it vociferously. And when violence has come from the conservative side, I don’t hesitate to stand against it. But it’s not.

There have been no right-wing groups storming campuses and flinging feces at speakers we don’t like; no tea party mobs destroying property, assaulting police officers, and paralyzing our major cities; and no Republican senators calling their colleagues murderers just weeks after a political assassination attempt.

From Portland to New Haven to Washington, the violence we’re witnessing is largely a product of the hard left, and the reaction from mainstream liberals — mostly silence, dismissiveness, equivocation — means it will continue to flourish.

To move toward a less violent and hyper-charged society, we must be clearheaded about violence where we see it, and not avoid the subject. We must condemn it without conditions.

If you think Republicans are murderers, you’re an extremist. If you’re trading in that kind of rhetoric just to shut the other side up or raise a buck, you’re giving cover to extremists. And if you object to political violence but fail to speak out, your weakness is causing our society to fracture.

It’s time for liberal America to speak out against violence and the rhetoric that incites it.

Bare, you watch too much tv and don't read enough.

Haven't had TVs in any of my homes for at least 15 years so WRONK
I do however know how to read and comprehend and make my own judgements without listening to Fox,CNN, MBS or you

I've already wasted enough time and effort on you so added to my ignore list
Hope that's not too violent for you

BuhBye

[TheBare]

Originally Posted by HugoHackenbush

Frankly, I don't understand why the right wing has their panties in a bunch over AOC. She is ONE of 435 Representatives. She is a freshman representative with NO senority, ergo no real power. What is all the fuss about?

I don't think the right has their panties in a knot about her I just think that
they find her completely ignorant and joke. Have you heard her speak??
The more she talks the more people will eventually vote repubs
If I had a friend like her I'm sure they would be riding on the short bus and I would be visiting frequently to her care facility to check on her state of mind.
Even Dems have distanced themselves from her

[TheBare]

Originally Posted by DTravel

Now we know the REAL fun is starting....

Yep

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by TheBare

Obviously you have absolutely no idea of the healthcare system in Canada
They've recently broken down into a 2 tiered system whereby non life threatening cases are handled at certain facilities and wait times for those facilities are between 5 and 6 hours if not more. Took me over 8 hours to get 9 stitches in my foot.
You want a cat scan mri or hip surgery etc. be prepared to wait from 6 months to a year and a half.
Doctors in Canada refused to accept a raise in pay> To their credit.

Try getting any of this stuff in the United States if you're not insured.

They fixed my foot without charging me for it on the NHS in Britain. I needed more than nine stitches. I had to queue a bit too, but I don't make a fuus about it because they repaired me when I was seriously damaged and did it without milking me dry and without stressing me out with vexatious insurance company letters and forms.

Originally Posted by TheBare

I guess it's fine with you 'cause I'm sure that you would not be contributing as much as you sucked out of the system. If you were being taxed for it you would not be so eager to spend other peoples money. Socialism works great until you run out of other people's money.

Universal healthcare is not socialism. It is a minimum requirement of civilisation.

Originally Posted by TheBare

Now I know that you are totally delusional




Haven't had TVs in any of my homes for at least 15 years so WRONK
I do however know how to read and comprehend and make my own judgements without listening to Fox,CNN, MBS or you

I've already wasted enough time and effort on you so added to my ignore list
Hope that's not too violent for you

BuhBye

Please reconsider this attitude to debate with people who form opposed views. You've been around on VEF long enough to know better, TB. I would not expect this from you and I hope very much that this is merely a venting of frustration, something we all do occasionally, and is not going to become habitual.

[TheBare]

Originally Posted by TheBare

Yep

Five things that didn't happen in the Mueller investigation



Robert Mueller has delivered his report on the Trump-Russia investigation to Attorney General William Barr. Sometime soon, perhaps within hours, Barr will send the report's "principal conclusions" to Congress. It will first go to the chairperson and ranking member of both the House and Senate Judiciary committees. It is unclear what will happen after that, but certainly other lawmakers will see the document, and there will be a steady stream of leaks of what is in the report.

The Mueller investigation is over, and it is apparently the case that Mueller does not recommend any new indictments.

At this point, it is not possible to say what is in the report. But even at this early moment, it is possible to note some things did not happen during the Mueller investigation.
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1. Mueller did not indict Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, or other people whose purported legal jeopardy was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year.

2. Mueller did not charge anyone in the Trump campaign or circle with conspiring with Russia to fix the 2016 election, as was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year.

3. Mueller did not subpoena the president, as was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year.

4. The president did not fire Mueller, as was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year.

5. The president did not interfere with the Mueller investigation, as was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year. In his letter to Congress, Barr noted the requirement that he notify lawmakers if top Justice Department officials ever interfered with the Mueller investigation. "There were no such instances," Barr wrote.

So Mueller is finished. Not long after the news broke, Fox News White House correspondent John Roberts said, "The feeling [at the White House] right now is that this is finally over." Yes and no. Mueller's decision to file a report and not to recommend any more indictments does not mean that the broader Trump-Russia investigation is over. Anticipating just this possibility, House Democrats ramped up new Trump-Russia investigations in recent weeks to make sure that it will never be over. There is little doubt that such investigations will still be going, at least until the 2020 elections.

[TheBare]

Special Counsel Bob Mueller has handed in his report, marking the effective end of the three-year Trump-Russia investigation. Hallelujah!

This means that Mueller firmly expects to file no more criminal charges, which pretty much confirms that all the media and political hysteria about his investigation was driven more by partisan wishful thinking than by anything resembling hard evidence.
see also
Mueller not recommending any more indictments in Russia probe

And that hysteria used up far too much time and attention in a nation with plenty of real issues to worry about.

Yes, as much as possible of Mueller’s report should be released to the public, if only to reduce the inevitable conspiracy theorizing. We guarantee that various bitter-enders are going to start noting again that Mueller’s a Republican, as if that were news.

Sadly, even a report that clearly states that there’s zero evidence President Trump and his campaign team ever did anything wrong won’t bring an end to the nonsense.

The Democratic-controlled House is already starting its own “investigations,” which will be enough to launch hundreds of news stories about what they might find, and about what anonymous sources claim they have found.

But most Americans will learn a big lesson from how the chattering classes misrepresented the Mueller probe. The hysterics will be playing to ever-smaller audiences while the rest of the country moves on.

[TheBare]

Why are 2020 Democrats so weird?

[Rogerbh]

It is way too early to comment on the unread Mueller report.