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Some posts have declared they would support the judical killing of criminals where their guilt was beyond all doubt. What about all the others then? It's almost an admission of some failing in our legal system. Murderers could argue that if the state were that unsure of their conviction, they should be released.
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I can see both sides of the argument. I think what most of us all agree is that punishment should certainly fit the crime. Up in Liverpool a couple of years ago the parents of murdered Rhys Jones were subjected to sitting in a court watching the dirty bastards who killed Rhys smiling and laughing at the trial and as the verdict was given to them...
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A big problem in the USA is the amount of guns in peoples hands. Though I think it is too late to change that. And i'm sure most gun owners are not crazy.
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Less of a problem: violent crime. Most shootings occur between people who know each other-- you are fairly unlikely to be held up and shot, by a stranger. It does happen, but the gun homicides are very heavily concentrated-- yeah, if you're the night clerk at a gas station, its a concern, but otherwise if you're not yourself doing crime, you're less impacted than is often thought. More of a problem: accidents and suicides. You have a gun in the house, and if its used to kill someone, its less likely to be either a criminal murder, or lawful self defense-- it'll be an accident or a suicide. |
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I haven't read this whole thread, but as far as the original question goes, I'd say no. (Of course it's still available here in the States). But I've been around the block, you know, and I've known some people, and all that, and I have to tell you...
Hanging is not a pretty way to go. Most guys I know would much rather be shot. So, if they were in a situation gone bad, where they knew they were going to hang if they got taken in, most guys would rather shoot it out and take their chances, however slim, than taken alive to hang. And that's not, ya know...good. |
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US has less crime than there's been in my lifetime. Some stats can be tweaked, but murder is "ground truth" -- when a body shows up with a bullet in it, that's homicide, and it gets counted. On occasion, you'll get a police department that wants to make a jurisdiction look safer, and they'll discourage robbery reports . . . you can't "discourage" a homicide report. Just from a personal perspective, the places I go are much safer than they were when I was a kid. The big exception is young inner city black men, who continue to have extraordinary homicide rates, much higher than anyone else (odd factoid: a 40 year old black male is more likely to be murdered in Los Angeles than a 20 year old Latino). Young black men live in a terrifying and cruel world . . . trying to stay out of trouble doesn't seem to reduce the risk; good kids and bad guys alike get killed in extraordinary numbers. The Los Angeles Times has an excellent murder blog, which shows you who's getting killed, and where http://projects.latimes.com/homicide/blog/page/1/ I'd add that there's a fairly logical explanation for why the nation is safer: we lock up a LOT of people. Can't prove causality for sure-- but young men who have a history of violence get imprisoned for a long time in the US, much longer than in Europe, and much longer than we used to. I suspect that we're simply getting a lot of the bad guys off the street. |
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