Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[palo5]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

You can't film a British court hearing but it isn't held in secret - the media and the public are allowed to attend and watch and listen. As for evidence, the court hearing can settle that one, but the radiation trail is pretty damning evidence, not only of culpability but also of the imbecile stupidity of the plot. But what was reported is not evidence; the court will be concerned with what the Prosecutor can actually prove

Well, no, if you're still referring to Litvinenko. The British are well-known for saying things are "highly likely" without having credible evidence. Almost nothing is known to the public, but because they have a strong anti-Russian bias made worse by the media, they'll swallow it

The EU referendum scenario is just as untruthful in the same way. Told a thousand lies for decades, and the public have no problem swallowing them, even though they don't know a single fact

[crinolynne]

Originally Posted by palo5

without having credible evidence. Almost nothing is known to the public,

This is Trumpian in the scale of its bald non-fact basis. There is evidence. You may not think it credible, but for partisan emotional reasons, no evidence will be credible to you. Which makes you, incredible though it might seem to you, not credible.

The notion that the full forensic background of the evidence would be made public prior to trial is an amazing pre-requisite for credibility. Particularly given the credibility of the two State actors involved. Colour me incredulous, but living in the the Trump/Putin-verse that we do, I'm sadly not surprised.

[charliels531]

[palo5]

From what I read, nearly all EU nations are now becoming pleased about UK's self-ejection from the EU. In retrospect, they see it as a very obstructive and disruptive Member, constantly against European ideals

It will take decades to repair this damage

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by palo5

From what I read, nearly all EU nations are now becoming pleased about UK's self-ejection from the EU. In retrospect, they see it as a very obstructive and disruptive Member, constantly against European ideals

It will take decades to repair this damage

From what I read the 27 are arguing plenty over how to fill the hole in the EU budget .

[jacques22]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

From what I read the 27 are arguing plenty over how to fill the hole in the EU budget .

Not really.
European nations and institutions loaned more than 200 billion euros to Greece (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33407742).
So a hole of 50 billion euros is peanuts for the EU. You will find plenty of international banks and institutions that will happily loan that amount to the EU, keeping in mind that the Eurozone is growing at a faster rate than the UK since the referendum.

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by jacques22

Not really.
European nations and institutions loaned more than 200 billion euros to Greece (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33407742).
So a hole of 50 billion euros is peanuts for the EU. You will find plenty of international banks and institutions that will happily loan that amount to the EU, keeping in mind that the Eurozone is growing at a faster rate than the UK since the referendum.

https://www.politico.eu/article/comm...udget-horrors/

[jacques22]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

https://www.politico.eu/article/comm...udget-horrors/

That's far from arguing.
The article simply states that the European Commission is studying various scenarios, which is the sensible thing to do.
Budget cuts would be the easiest option, but if you read well the article, one of the scenarios is the "continuation of the status quo".

The EU still has a year left to finalise the details of the 2021-27 multiannual financial framework:
"Formally, the MFF is approved by a unanimous decision of the Council of Ministers and the Parliament has to give its consent. This will take place on 9 May 2019 during the Sibiu Summit. The new budget will enter into force in January 2021 for a period of 7 years, until 2027." (https://concordeurope.org/what-we-do...mff-2021-2027/)

[seany65]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

https://www.politico.eu/article/comm...udget-horrors/

"Support for Germany" would stop? Good. They don't really need EU support.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

From what I read the 27 are arguing plenty over how to fill the hole in the EU budget .

No, they'll hardly notice it. Some projects will be delayed a little, but they'll save a lot on salaries & expenses for saboteurs such as UKIP MEPs