[solved] Hilary Corona - Is Caroline Taborrine = Hilary Corona?

[effCup]

Member svenbo some time ago suggested that Caroline Taborrine | Lois Hersh might be the same model as Hilary Corona.

The second pic. here, from Lui (De) in Hilary's thread is matched by the second pic. here, from Lui (Es) in Caroline's thread. Easy, right? Well maybe, or it could simply mean that raval has perhaps posted the latter pics. in the wrong thread.

Can we find any stronger evidence?

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Hilary:

Note the two spots on Hilary's right upper arm, & also two spots on her upper chest:

Originally Posted by masque51

Only one of the the arm spots is showing in the first and last pics. here, but at least it suggests they're "real" spots rather than scan artefacts. The first pics. also shows only one of the chest spots.

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Caroline:

Now, here is Caroline's right upper arm, again showing two spots:

Originally Posted by ripchord

Only one spot visible in these pics.:

Originally Posted by svenbo

Originally Posted by Fabrizio

There are several other pics. in Caroline's thread that are either too-poor resolution, or "dirty", to show spots with any accuracy, or else lack evidence of them. They may perhaps have been transposed or "cleaned" (e.g. for covers). /shrug/

The second pic. here seems to show the two chest spots, but as that's the pic. I mention at the top it still could just be in the wrong thread rather than a sign they're the same model.

This pic. seems to show one of the two chest spots (above & to the centre of her right boob, i.e. here framed by the necklace) although it's very faint:

Originally Posted by svenbo

Again just the one showing in the first pic. here, but the second I think has both, although there's plenty of "distraction" from dirt, etc.:

Originally Posted by Fabrizio

Two chest spots here:

Originally Posted by PALLUCA

Maybe one here but not very clear:


One here is clear, the other is much fainter. The OP of this pic. wasn't sure of the model's id but I think the chest spots confirm it:

Originally Posted by apus

As with the upper arm spots, there are other pics. in Caroline's thread that one would think ought to clearly show the two chest spots and yet they don't.

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So what do folks think? Are the models Caroline Taborrine | Lois Hersh and Hilary Corona one and the same?

[WardC]

I've been putting together evidence for a "Caroline Taborrine aka Lois Hersh" and "Hilary Corona" thread merger for a while now, and meanwhile it looks like you MIDers have reached a consensus, which is great. With hopes it'll help validate the merge, here's the evidence I've gathered that they're the same person.

As an aside, since the question has been raised several times, sometimes implicitly, I've found evidence for and against "Puck Easton" also being the same model. I lean against the idea, and it's outside the scope of the question Effie posed when he started this thread, so I'll just note that if they are not one person, then the photograph from July 1975 Lui surely belongs in the Puck thread. Masque51 says the same thing here (I believe in regard to the top photo).

I think there's also some evidence about which modeling alias we should privilege: Anette/Annette Anderson. But that'll be a follow-up post.

JEWELRY

The most demonstrable point of connection between the Caroline/Lois and Hilary model threads are several elements of jewelry that appear in combination, in different photoshoots, from different days (or at least with different haircuts) and different photographers (assuming the photo credits are correct).

The photos from the pictorial that appeared in Das Da and Men Only, with the green shirt, contain all of the relevant pieces.

Originally Posted by smoerre-broed

Originally Posted by svenbo

They are:

• A silver bracelet with balls on the ends
• A signet-style "pinky ring" worn on her little finger, with a flat, square face
• Another ring, smaller with a dark stone
• A chain link bracelet with a charm (looks to be a crown)

Rings
Although the other pieces of jewelry also appear in multiple photosets, the two rings are key to linking the model threads. The fact that the square ring is always on the little finger and the one with the dark stone is consistently on the "ring finger" of the opposite hand (accounting for reversed negatives) is, from the perspective of an identifier, as important as the fact that the rings look alike.

Caroline/Lois:

Hilary (although the "Helena del Gran Norte" also appears in the "Caroline/Lois" thread):


Bracelet
A bit of a tangent, but as long as we're noticing where these pieces of jewelry that make multiple appearances, the solid bracelet with balls on the ends appears again and again throughout the pictorials in what's currently the Caroline/Lois thread:



For me, anyway, it answers with certainty apus's question of whether or not this is her:

Originally Posted by apus

Found this one but I'm not sure it is her.

ANATOMICAL

Moles
Obviously, moles and other spots come and go or get airbrushed out. But recurring moles in patterns that appear in multiple pictorials are an excellent identifier, and what Effie observed earlier bears repeating -- these two moles make clear appearances in both threads:

Caroline/Lois:

Hilary:


Nipples
Earlier in this thread, I noted her chin dimple and made a claim:

Originally Posted by effCup

I agree, & that's very useful because I think it adds two more independent "factors" of linkage between them, on top of the two from the spots on the arm & chest.

What I said may be the case, but it's hard to substantiate; between different lighting conditions, model positions, and possible reversed negatives, it's really hard to demonstrate conclusively that one nipple is more "dimpled" than the other. Also, there are quite a few examples of pronounced, right-breast, milk duct orifices (i.e. "nipple dimples") in these sets and at least one where they're pronounced on both breasts.

Anyway, I'd like to limit the observation to noting that "all" the models in these pictures have dimpled nipples.

It's still a point of sameness.

Philtrum, chin dimple, nose

So, as noted, the chin dimple is a strong point of sameness. The rounded nose and lips are, too.

But I think this is more obvious: her "philtrum" (the vertical groove between the base of the nose and the border of the upper lip) is consistently deep and teardrop-shaped. Here's a random selection of close-ups from both model threads for your consideration. Without the varying haircuts, these facial features are much more obviously the same:



I hope all that's helpful.

Credit and thanks to all the original scanners and uploaders and anybody whose scan I used and didn't directly quote because I used a cropped image (including bourschwa, ripchord, masque51, svenbo, Fabrizio, smoerre-broed, raval, PALLUCA, apus, YPT00, Howmer, DaveHam, edison01se, and zjatzjat in no particular order). And to Effie for the interesting topic. And thanks also to the mods for holding the elevator doors for me while I took my sweet time.

[WardC]

Effie posted this elsewhere, but we've agreed I should cross-post my reply and his original here.

Originally Posted by effCup

I think Hilary Corona & Lois Hersh are perhaps the two most "significant" names known so far.

Penthouse, 1978-06 as Hilary Corona
Men Only 40-12, 1975-12 as Lois Hersh
Club (US), 1976-02 as Lois Hersh

Caroline Taborrine is nice & distinctive but--no disrespect to Italians--perhaps less significant/widely known?

Playmen, 1976-11 as Caroline Taborrine
Playmen, 1977-05 as Caroline

Other 2-part ones known so far:

Cavalier Yearbook, 1978 as Annette Anderson
Oui, 1976-06 as Letitia Bombay
Pop (It) no.07, c.1974 as Laura Corti

& the singletons:

Club International (UK) 05-02, 1976-02 as Molly
Gallery, 1977-03 as Babbette
Japanese Lui Charm Girls as Helene
Lib (Es) as Anabell
Lui (Es), 1978 as Helena
Playboy (It), 1978-12 as Mimi
Punto Zero (Es) 01-02 as Vivianna
Swank, 1976-10 as Lynnette
Swank, 1978-07 as Kitty
Yes (Es), 1977 as Sara

My own list of aliases is in close agreement with a couple of small additions and one exception.

Additions:

• LUI Charm Girls (Japan): also Mimi
  There are two pictorials of this model in the book and two aliases. They're definitely both her. Effie gives the alias for the first pictorial, Helene, and she's called Mimi in the second pictorial, which is from the same setup (pleated shirt, carved armchair with brown velvet padding) as the photos in Penthouse, Playboy Italy (where the name is also Mimi and apparently a La Boheme reference), and elsewhere.
• LUI (Spain): She's Helena in the title and Elena in the text.
• LUI (Germany)1977 Nr 4: Helene
• LUI (France) 07/1978: Mimi

The exception is Laura Corti.

That connection is from Cerv3za, who has correctly identified "Lois/Hilary" for us many times, but with respect for his excellent work, I believe that Corti (Pop, Italy, #7 1974) is another model.

Corti's nose looks wrong (nostrils too long, tip not "button-shaped"), her breasts are quite different, her pubic hair isn't V-shaped (a new observation: Lois/Hilary's bush is consistently slightly V-shaped), and moles that you might expect to see aren't there and the moles/spots/negative-dust that you do see in these pics don't match what's expected. Also, it's impossible to quantify this sort of thing, but her face looks very different to me.

In any case, I submit that it's one alias to consider omitting.

More on the "Annette Anderson" theory shortly.

[WardC]

Originally Posted by Pepper II

...we need to determine the origin of the various names and which one would make the most sense as a thread title.

I know it's likely that what will end up making the most sense as an ID for this model will be one of the ones we're most familiar with (i.e. Lois or Hilary), but before that happens I'd like to at least make a case for "Anette" or the Cavalier alias "Annette Anderson" as an ID; I think the evidence is compelling, if circumstantial, that Anette is her first name. And since Annette Anderson is a published alias, I don't think the following observation violates any VEF privacy rules.

Necklace

In these very slightly different photographs (the position of her hands changes) from Spanish and German Lui, our model is wearing a necklace that says "Anette":

Originally Posted by raval

Originally Posted by PALLUCA

German LUI by DaveHam

In spite of the necklace, both magazines refer to her by names that are something other than Anette (i.e. "Helene" and "Helena," respectively), so where the text in the magazines is concerned, the necklace presents a conflict -- probably not intentionally. (Also, in Oui June 1976, v.5 n.6, which uses the Spanish Lui version of the photograph, she's credited as "Latitia" and the necklace is blurred.)

The larger set of photos from the "Anette necklace set" was used in multiple publications with multiple aliases and back-stories; and since that seems to have been pretty standard practice, I hope it's safe to assume whoever was in charge of the photoshoot would have expected it.

With that kind of multiple-use scenario in mind, intentionally including a wardrobe item like a necklace with a name-charm seems like an unlikely thing to do.

I think it's not unreasonable to claim that the necklace is most easily explained as a piece of personal jewelry that was accidentally included. It was removed for subsequent photographs in the pictorial. And you can say I'm leaping to conclusions, but when people own jewelry that displays a given name, most often it refers to their own name!

If indeed it is personal jewelry, I think that would make it the closest thing we have to an ID. And again, it's just a first name, and it's also a variation on one of her existing professional aliases, so I'm under the impression that if true, making the observation doesn't violate any VEF rules.

Scandinavian-ness of "Anette"

Trying to determine the origin of "Anette" spelled with a single N, I came across one site's claim that it is "currently the sixty-seventh most popular girl's name" in "Denmark and Norway." This was from a baby-naming website. Not a terribly authoritative source and oddly-worded. (Sixty-seventh in both Denmark and Norway? Sixty-seventh for the two countries in combination?)

However, according to Wikipedia, apparently it is the case that Anette with a single N is likely Danish, Norwegian, or Swedish:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Anette

Another Wikipedia entry gives an Anette-with-one-N name day in Finland. And early 20th century U.S. immigration records pretty much confirm the "Scandinavian-ness" of the name.

The text of the Spanish LUI pictorial says she's from the "frigid North," "Suecia o Noruega" (i.e. "Sweden or Norway"); it's a data point, but it's one of many conflicting photoshoot back-stories.

Photographer credits for her pictorials include Rupert Daines for Club (v5 n2 1976) and Men Only (40-12), and Hans Larsson for Playmen (May 1977). And EffCup has done a lot of work in this thread linking Rupert Daines to Hans Larsen as the same person and possibly Danish. I agree and I'll add that Hans Larsson is listed at imdb as a still photographer on the adult film "Nøglehullet":

Nøglehullet (1974)
www.imdb.com/title/tt0073472/combined
Camera and Electrical Department
Hans Larsson .... still photographer

Looking at the posts in the VEF "Nøglehullet" thread, it seems like the film was a Danish production.

Maybe, where this supposition is concerned, what really matters is that the locations and some wardrobe items Anette was photographed in (wall with diagonal boards, the common balcony, striped shirt, all documented by EffCup in the same thread), are common with a lot of northern European models, and in European publications.

I'm stretching here, I know. But if she was from and worked in Scandinavia, apparently "Anette" as an actual name would make a lot of sense.

Cavalier

The Anette necklace is not in any of the Cavalier photosetups, but Annette Anderson is a Cavalier alias.

And I think maybe Anderson (or Andersen) is perfectly Danish name (e.g. "Hans Christian...")?

One issue is open for me. Svenbo makes no claims about the source of the photographs in this post, but the cover of Cavalier (WonderClub calls it November 1976 Magazine v.27 Iss.1) is definitely from the same photo session as the other photographs around it (the "leopard print" series)...

Originally Posted by svenbo

Although all the scans are from the "leopard print" photoshoot, I'm nearly certain that the pages other than the cover are from the Men Only version of the layout, not Cavalier. However, if anybody can demonstrate that this 1976 Cavalier shared Men Only's text and alias, I've got one more thing to add.

Until then, I rest my case and throw myself on the mercy of the court.

My sincere appreciation goes to anyone who isn't completely infuriated by the length of this and my previous post on the topic. To paraphrase a thing Winston Churchill may or may not have said, "if I had more time, I would have written a shorter post." Also, something about "rum, sodomy, and the lash." But the research was fun and I hope something here helps someone.

[effCup]

I don't say any of what Ward has written is wrong. Nor do I oppose the use of any of the 2-part name options available for her id:

Hilary Corona
Lois Hersh
Caroline Taborrine
Annette Anderson
Letitia Bombay

I just think it's simpler/tidier to prefer one of them rather than a string | of | options.

So, back to patterns of thinking.

A hypothetical example: Let's say a certain model often modelled under the name Traci (or sometimes Tracy). But on just a couple of occasions she somehow instead modelled as Nora--yes, this is a hypothetical example. Would we then say she was best known as Nora, simply because that did happen to be her (later-known) real first name? I think that approach risks taking us in a difficult direction, of trying not simply to find the name a model is/was best known by, but also a name that perhaps feels more "realistic", or "plausible", or similar.

Another, but this time non-hypothetical example, & perhaps much closer to Ward's argument: Jamalia Durant likewise often wore a necklace bearing that first name. Her id I believe is taken from her Mayfair set under that name, but she also appeared in a couple of mags. as just Jamalia: ABC (It) no.07, 1980-12-18 & AUPH, 1982-03, plus various mags. with different names (Nancy Tan, etc.), & I seem to have quite a few cases where the name is not shown in scans or otherwise not recorded. I don't know whether the necklace and supposition as to whether it resembled her "real name" played any part in deciding her id back whenever, but if we were doing so afresh now, would or should it?

Where this example is slightly different is maybe Jamalia Durant in Mayfair plus 2x Jamalia would carry sufficient weight anyway? /shrug/

Where it would risk getting messy is going for Annette Anderson, but then deciding to modify the first name to single-N Anette because of the necklace. What Ward's written above is not wrong but it tells us nothing about her surname, and (as yet) we have no evidence she ever modelled as Anette Anderson. Such behaviour/pattern might risk reminding one of the expression "falling between two stools"?

[effCup]

Originally Posted by WardC

I'm nearly certain that the pages other than the cover are from the Men Only version of the layout, not Cavalier. However, if anybody can demonstrate that this 1976 Cavalier shared Men Only's text and alias, I've got one more thing to add.

We could ask Svenbo. I simply assumed he'd mixed Men Only page scans with the Cavalier cover because the page text calls her Lois, not Annette Anderson--indeed it's identical to the text in Cream Cheese's MO page scans. The 1978 Cavalier Yearbook scans, though, not only call her Annette Anderson but say she was not just on the cover but also inside the November (presumably 1976) issue.

[WardC]

Originally Posted by effCup

...indeed it's identical to the text in Cream Cheese's MO page scans.

Right on all around, Effie. Doing a side-by-side comparison...

Originally Posted by svenbo

http://www.creamcheesex.org/mo/p/g438/slides/Lois%202.html

...even the page abrasions and scan artifacts are the same as Cream Cheese. So it's definitely the '76 Cavalier cover coupled with Cream Cheese's MO page scans.

Looking at the language of '78 Cavalier Yearbook, I suspect we're going to find the text was directly lifted from the '76 issue, as opposed to merely referring to the earlier issue. It lacks a certain "past-tensed-ness."



Just one example: "here she is right up front." Not in '78 Yearbook she wasn't -- in that issue, where this language appears, the pictorial is towards the end (TOC confirms).

[Dick Needle]

I haven't read much of this but luckily it appears the Caroline Taborrine | Lois Hersh thread has now been merged with the Hilary Corona one thanks to the excellent work of effie and WardC.