Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[rosestone]

Originally Posted by bloke57

I am sick of Boris. I have no respect for a self-seeking proven liar who has deceived, cheated and lied to many, many people - in both his public and private lives - to further his own personal advantage. He is a disgusting, mendacious, low-grade human being.

Why do people pay any attention to this louse?

Because he's a 'personality' and people find him amusing, and that's what matters. I read his election diary years and years ago, and since then I too find his 'don't mind me, I'm just a bumbling posho' shtick deeply tedious.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by Brecht

As for the Danish-English relation, one source of the "Anglo-Saxon" migration to Britain was Jutland which is pretty much today's Denmark and the Schleswig-Holstein area in Germany.

Yes, Jylland is the dick-shaped mainland of DK that points towards the "open legs" of NO and SE

[Mal Hombre]

Originally Posted by Nobody1

Which means you are ethnologically related to Russians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians

No big surprise if you ask me. The similarities are hard to miss. Well, in the end even that does not matter. It is all just one big steaming pot of inbred gravy anyway since Adam and Eve researched boredom and sexy time.

palo and Me are cousins,Explains why We get on so well...

[palo5]

Originally Posted by Helenic

Several of the EU member states hate it more than we do - Greece is an obvious example

I don't think Greece is a good example. The last poll I read said that 75% were in favor of the EU

No matter how you look at it, Greece's problem was that its politicians spent too much money, and couldn't pay it back because they're very inefficient at collecting taxes. If you overlook that, you'll reach the wrong conclusions

[Dr Pepper]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

palo and Me are cousins,Explains why We get on so well...

So were George V and Kaiser Bill....and look how that turned out...

[Dr Pepper]

Originally Posted by palo5

I don't think Greece is a good example. The last poll I read said that 75% were in favor of the EU

No matter how you look at it, Greece's problem was that its politicians spent too much money, and couldn't pay it back because they're very inefficient at collecting taxes. If you overlook that, you'll reach the wrong conclusions

Well I have seen it written that whereas in some countries the national sport is football, cricket, rugby etc, in Greece its tax evasion.....

[recluce]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

From what I read the 27 are arguing plenty over how to fill the hole in the EU budget .

If you google that, the net contribution of the UK to the EU (payments minus financial subsidies received) is about 10 billion euros per year - which is truly peanuts.

[recluce]

Originally Posted by haroldeye

Germany gets lots of support from the EU. The complete bollocks they made of the Euro means that the German economy prospers at the expence of the PIG nations.

Germany didn't organise the bail out of Greece for the benefit of the EU, they did it to keep the Euro in place otherwise their economy would be really hard hit.

Ah, fake news. German net contribution is in excess of 16 billion euros per year, so Germany is a significantly large contributor than the UK.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by ********

Can't see how May can survive now.

EU has rejected her proposal. Half her party thinks it is too soft, half thinks it is too hard. Polls show it is less popular than the Poll Tax.

Her plan seems to be to waste teh remaining time trying to negotiate it, then throw whatever deal she gets down in front of parliament and hope her party supports it for fear of there being an election if they don't.

May should have gone when she so spectacularly mishandled the 2017 general election; but the Tories have no one lined up to replace her. They certainly won't be eager to go back to the polls on the strength of the Chequers Plan.

It's looking awfully like a No Deal Brexit to me. It sounds a lot like Mr Barnier is determined to enforce the free movement of people; but if the free movement of people was so popular then the referendum would have been a cakewalk for the Remain side, and clearly that wasn't the case. No Deal is not a good outcome, but as long as we do in fact leave, we will have to regularise our EU relationships over time afterwards. I'm pretty sure Mrs May will be forced out long before another general election, as the failure of EU negotiations will be directly and correctly connected to her own failure of leadership.

Also, Tories will remember how desperately poor she was as an interviewee in the election campaign; and more recently she showed the same flimsy deceitfulness in her bullshitting about how extra funds for the NHS would come from some fantasy "Brexit Dividend" cost saving. People don't appreciate having their intelligence insulted like this, and the little faux pas over the "Brexit Dividend" is a useful reminder of how politically tone deaf she is.

I suspect her replacement will be David Davis.

[recluce]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

It's looking awfully like a No Deal Brexit to me. It sounds a lot like Mr Barnier is determined to enforce the free movement of people; but if the free movement of people was so popular then the referendum would have been a cakewalk for the Remain side, and clearly that wasn't the case.

I really don't understand why anybody on the Pro-Brexit side could ever have expected to retain some but not all of the fundamental four freedoms that are at the heart of the European idea and the European treaties:

• Free Movement of Goods
• Free Movement of Services
• Free Movement of Capital
• Free Movement of People (choice of residence and work place)

The EU will not budge from "all or nothing" on the four freedoms and if restricting the free movement of people is so fundamental to the UK, it must accept that it has to live without the other three freedoms as well.

The negotiators on the EU side have zero room for negotiation on this, not only due to the four freedoms being core values of the EU, but also due to the fact that any concession on this for the UK would destabilize the EU overall. And frankly, they care very little about the impact of Brexit to the UK (who is already out of the EU for all strategic purposes) compared to the stability of the union of the remaining 27 member nations.

Considering this and scoundrel's points, I fully agree that the No Deal Brexit is the most likely scenario at the moment.