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August 6th, 2011, 09:02 AM | #81 |
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Perhaps I'm somewhat of a Utopian (for which I make no apologies), but I happen to believe that the state should promote the highest ideals to which it would wish it's citizens to aspire. That's why I believe that in a civilised society there is no place for a justice system that has retribution at its core - no matter what the provocation.
A couple of weeks' ago in the wake of the mass killings in Norway, her Prime Minister stood up and stated quite categorically that his country's reaction to such an act of senseless barbarity should not be to allow its core values to become corrupted or adversely influenced by what had occurred. Instead he advocated that the response should be to further reinforce and more fervently uphold the ideals of democracy, humanity and freedom. It was one of the most defiantly inspiring and truly courageous speeches I've ever witnessed from a politician, expressing as it did the kind of sentiments one would sadly never hear uttered by a British or American head of state. Regards.
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US prisons are grim places, as any number of reports will attest. There are a few minimum and medium security prisons in the Federal system which aren't horrible . . . but any high security prison is going to be a foul experience, and often very dangerous. |
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Nowhere near New York is colder than Alaska It's possible New Yorkers are more sensitive to cold, but that doesn't mean it's really colder A 1-5 year sentence in Alaska would cure them of this and many other delusions |
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August 6th, 2011, 01:46 PM | #84 |
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How many innocent people have died,and will die,in road accidents this year-in dear old Blighty alone.One would be too many and it's tragic when it happens but no one seriously suggests banning cars.
How many innocent people have died because of the 'high minded' interventions,by the same liberal elite scum who oppose capital punishment,in Iraq and Afghanistan. Is a custodial sentence for any crime not just legalised kidnapping,even if the culprit was caught red handed.And,if they weren't,should we really impose one.After all,if said person is later cleared by new evidence,you can hand them a lot of money in compensation and dish out all the apologies and pardons you like-but you can never give them back that time which has been lost. Last edited by 3745 Laddie; August 6th, 2011 at 01:48 PM.. Reason: Misspelt word |
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But if you kill them then you can give them back nothing.
Just one innocent killed by the state is one too many. And thanks for lumping me in with the "liberal elite scum".
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Upstate New York gets Canadian arctic air, -40 degrees will usually occur once a winter or so (a convenient number, is the same in Fahrenheit and Celsius) You'd find similar temperatures in Alaska, perhaps on the North Slope or inland, but these are very remote areas-- no Federal prisons, and to operate one is ruinously expensive. Most Alaskans live on the southwest coast (Juneau, Anchorage) which are warmed by the Pacific. Most days in winter, Upstate New York will be colder than the places in Alaska where people actually live (fwiw, so far as I know, we don't have any federal prisons in Alaska ) Quote:
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Hang about guys,I'm having a go at the political classes who've misruled this country for way too long and certainly not at genuine people interested in a reasoned argument.
But I would respectfully suggest that the innocent people dying argument simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.And I'd also point out that,although I'm in favour of restoration,I wouldn't want to see it happen before double jeapordy was back in place or indeed any of our civil liberties that have been messed about with were safeguarded. |
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You should therefore assume that these exonerations are the bare minimum. Its also noteworthy that the State generally destroys evidence from a case after an execution-- there's no way to go back and examine the evidence for folks we've already put to death. Based on what we know from the exonerations, we must assume that there were more than a few innocent folks executed Quote:
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