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August 19th, 2017, 03:02 PM | #151 |
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No reasons justify taking any action that propagates slavery,If He would not defend His country,He should at least not have fought against it,He should have stayed out of the conflict altogether.
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One of the many ironies of the American Civil War was that the CSA had built into it the seeds of its own destruction. It could never have survived, not even if it could have won, which it could not. Its entire basis was the right of secession and of course it would have split apart. It would have been destroyed from within, by the pettiness and egotism of its own leaders and by its philosophical position that states rights were supreme. Lee was from Virginia and he fought his war on the Virginia northern borders. History, which he helped to make, has decided where patriotism should lie for a citizen of Virginia today, but it was not so decided in 1860, no. I would have been a coward and refused to fight in the American Civil War. Principle and opposition to slavery would not have moved me one iota. Those Minie rifle ball rounds were horrible and there was none of this full metal jacket nonsense, they distorted on impact and expended all their kinetic energy on you. No thanks.
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He'd have to leave his country like Albert Einstein. A few people are able to do this. I'd like to know how many young men were killed on battlefields and would have prefered to stay at home with their families? Probably millions. |
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And not to forget in England (Germany too, I know) itself, whose labour wasn't so far from it at this time with no social backup at all. Just remember of Karl Marx. I don't want to justify slavery - surly not - but it wasn't even unusual and accepted by those, who wasn't slaves
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If choosing not to fight will result in my death, perhaps horribly, the death of my children, my extended family, should I die for others of whom I know nothing, share nothing? I pray none of us are faced with such a choice, but I cannot condemn one who choose their family.
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John C Breckenridge: now there is a traitor, no doubt about it. Breckenridge went on to be an important general in the CSA army and eventually the CSA's Secretary of State for War. Unlike General Lee, Breckenridge wanted to have it both ways. He wanted to be elected as US president in 1860 and would have had to pledge the Presidential oath had he won; and yet he still wanted to argue that he could walk away from allegiance to the USA any time he wanted to. He reminds me of Rick Perry.
I don't consider Lee to have been dishonourable, but there were plenty of others on the CSA side who certainly were dishonourable, and Breckenridge was clearly one of those IMHO. He wasn't even from the CSA states but was born and raised in Kentucky, so he fought against his own people and on the side of slavery. Not much to be said in his defence I think: he was worse than a Copperhead.
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University of Texas removes Confederate statues
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I would not be surprised if there is a whole series of statue removals as a reaction to Chancellorsville. The reason will be to remove symbols of racist oppression. I can't help thinking that neo-Nazi skinhead thugs and the opposing demonstrators have one thing in common; they know no history.
If more Americans knew the real story of Robert E Lee they might appreciate that he would almost certainly not have wanted anything to do with people who go against his word given in the surrender and argue for renewed disloyalty against the United States. These people rally at General Lee's statue but by doing so they disrespect him, while professing to honour him. The true role model of the right wing demonstrators is Jesse James, I reckon: a sociopathic scumbag who got what he deserved, and it was good riddance to bad rubbish.
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