Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Enrico32]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Liberal democracy is the theory of government that aims to restrict and to supervise the bureaucratic state.

Do you grasp that the state can control everything even without resorting to outright tyranny.
Soft power still means that it controls everything.

Or do you really think yourself free?

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by Enrico32

Or do you really think yourself free?

Funny you should mention that.

As you could expect us forum mods talk business about the forum behind the scenes, we were discussing something about my youth.

When I was young, 10 maybe 11, Dads union was in strike for 7 weeks, at the end of it all I clearly remember Dad telling me not be a sheep and do your own thinking, that's all he said.

That stuck in my head but being that age I didn't care, only years later when I decided to mo longer be a sheep did it all become clear. Said it dozens of times on here, I was a leftie using blind faith that they are always right till I dared asking a Union Steward a question he didn't want to answer and decided ridicule me in front of the rest of the union did I wake up. Bugged for for months, I since have woken up to a lot of leftie bullshit and think for myself, I still believe a some things to the left and that won't change. The thing that did change I was in my mid to late 30's and got a bigger picture of the world and how it works.

Dad never liked that I was on the left, his only comment was that he, and he didn't give many compliments, knew I was smart and I'd grow up, one day

I did. I won't seduce anyone into living my preferred lifestyle, like I've said many times on here to the commies, feel free and go live in a Commie state long term and see for yourself.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

If xyz was on the other side, he'd make a pretty darn good Holocaust denier.

If... But you can think what you want, I know that I'm not racist. Today I blame a system that tolerates the exploitation of the man by the man and that is destroying our ecosystem.

Did you observe that you have a President who daily piss on environmental problems?

So... what about a "college of well educated experts" instead Donald Trump, that would apply a more coercitive environmental politics to improve our harmful Capitalist societies?

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by Enrico32

Do you grasp that the state can control everything even without resorting to outright tyranny.

No, it can't.

When you have to ask the commissar if you have permission to fart, you're not "free" by any definition.

"Free" means, in part -- "what I can say or do without getting arrested or seeking permission".

When the State decides where you live, what you study, what you read, how many children you may have, whether you may eat, or indeed whether you may live . . . that't not "free" by any reasonable definition.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

No, it can't.

When you have to ask the commissar if you have permission to fart, you're not "free" by any definition.

"Free" means, in part -- "what I can say or do without getting arrested or seeking permission".

When the State decides where you live, what you study, what you read, how many children you may have, whether you may eat, or indeed whether you may live . . . that't not "free" by any reasonable definition.

There will of course always be a tension between what I want to do and how far the rest of the world can permit me to do as I please. This isn't unique to Communism. I have always cordially detested "libertarians" - they nearly always prove to be the sort of people who weren't beaten often enough or severely enough as children, growing up wrong without knowing or caring about boundaries to behaviour. I was raised fairly strictly by parents who themselves had strong views about respecting authority and being considerate to others. But they also required me to think for myself and were comfortable if I disagreed with them, provided I had thought about it and could explain my views. Opinions and beliefs were negotiation, but standards of behaviour were not.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

There will of course always be a tension between what I want to do and how far the rest of the world can permit me to do as I please.

Of course. My freedom to run a piggery may not be welcomed by my neighbors, so we have zoning and health laws.

I can do on my property a range of things which my community defines as "reasonable"; but those rules are hardly onerous

Originally Posted by scoundrel

This isn't unique to Communism. I have always cordially detested "libertarians" - they nearly always prove to be the sort of people who weren't beaten often enough or severely enough as children,

Well, the Libertarians are a different flavor of stupid "We don't need regulations and health inspections to require food service workers to wash their hands, because it they don't the market will put them out of business"

. . . yeah, sure.

"Reasonable" is the epicurean virtue. As much regulation as is required, but no more.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

exploitation of the man by the man

The only people that get exploited are those that let themselves be
If you think an ordinary person who has a Monday to Friday job, earns an average income is exploited then you're just a jealous person who was never rich and looking for excuses.

A company or small business that employs a person create jobs, there is nothing anywhere to say you must work here, and if you do work there , it's your choice, you don not own that job, it's a job that business has created for anyone willing to do it.

It's the lazy that complain, it's the jealous and envious who complain.
It's the opposite who go out there and create their own wealth, after hard work good on them for sitting back and getting rich by doing nothing, If I was good and motivated enough I'd have done the same , but I'm just average and a bit lucky. I don't complain, it's you and your type that do.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

The only people that get exploited are those that let themselves be
If you think an ordinary person who has a Monday to Friday job, earns an average income is exploited then you're just a jealous person who was never rich and looking for excuses.

Nope. I just want to open his/her eyes. The fact is a majority of ordinary persons are exploited by their bosses. Very often they are exploited, because they are ignorant.
Why in Western countries don't we early teach Marx analysis at school ? It's only because masters of Capitalist societies are afraid to lose their domination on their stooges.
Later uneducated stooges will develop Stockholm syndrom... and find excuses to be spoiled of their freedom by bankers, liberal politicians or socialist dictators.

Educated children knowing Marx analysis would develop a fair society in which exploitation of the man by the man would not be tolerated.

No offense, but you have developped all the aspects of the Stocholm syndrom.

Originally Posted by scoundrel

I was raised farly strictly by parents who themselves had strong views about respecting authority and being considerate to others. But they also required me to think for myself and were comfortable if I disagreed with them, provided I had thought about it and could explain my views. Opinions and beliefs were negotiation, but standards of behaviour were not.

Standards of behaviour are very subjective. They often depend of the point of views of the people and the context.

In some societies farting and burping is well considered, when in others it's shameful.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Educated children knowing Marx analysis would develop a fair society in which exploitation of the man by the man would not be tolerated.

No offense, but you have developped all the aspects of the Stocholm syndrom.

No offence, but you are in serious need to get help.
Marx is an idiot, who you follow, did nothing productive.

We do live in a reasonably fair society, it's you and your kind who botch and belly ache that claim it isn't.

A very simple question, explain to me why I have no problems ???
Explain to me why I'm happy
Explain to me why I should follow Marx and take a step, or 5000, backwards to live a way I don't want to

I don't know why you keep trying to convince us, I mean since this thread started all you've achieved is making me hate your preferred system even more, really I mean that I actually hate it more than ever .... your fault that is

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

No offence, but you are in serious need to get help.
Marx is an idiot, who you follow, did nothing productive.

We do live in a reasonably fair society, it's you and your kind who botch and belly ache that claim it isn't.

A very simple question, explain to me why I have no problems ???
Explain to me why I'm happy
Explain to me why I should follow Marx and take a step, or 5000, backwards to live a way I don't want to

I don't know why you keep trying to convince us, I mean since this thread started all you've achieved is making me hate your preferred system even more, really I mean that I actually hate it more than ever .... your fault that is

I think xyz has an unreasonable fear of authoritarian bosses, maybe he has been made to suffer unreasonably by a business sociopath? That's all I can figure.

Which boss would he prefer, Trump or Stalin?

I know which one he would actually live longer under.