Questions for our American friends

[Davemetalhead]

It doesn't matter what the average "American citizen" approves of, it's all about money and power - both of the which the NRA has a fuckin' truckload of.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by Davemetalhead

It doesn't matter what the average "American citizen" approves of, it's all about money and power - both of the which the NRA has a fuckin' truckload of.

Sad but true !

But - who gave them money and power ?

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

Sad but true !

But - who gave them money and power ?

The NRA are heavily funded by Colt and Smith and Wesson: about 28% of their approximately $400m revenue comes from the arms industry. But of course about 50% of this revenue is from membership fees, so I think you would have to say that it exists because very many American people support it and support what it stands for. I think what it stands for is evil and sick, but my opinion does not matter because I do not live there.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

The NRA are heavily funded by Colt and Smith and Wesson: about 28% of their approximately $400m revenue comes from the arms industry. But of course about 50% of this revenue is from membership fees, so I think you would have to say that it exists because very many American people support it and support what it stands for. I think what it stands for is evil and sick, but my opinion does not matter because I do not live there.

Knowing not all the details that's what I've been asking for - in my very own way- ; to make those folks reflecting about who is paying for the "game" and is funding a number of their politicians and what is possibly evil and sick in that.

[Decadence]

Originally Posted by gunner

Is Trump for real? Now he’s advocating having armed teachers in schools saying that’ they would have shot the hell out of that gunman’ this just goes to prove that he is not fit to be in the Oval Office. Most American policemen that are killed are shot with their own guns, all that would happen is that you are giving the assailant more firepower. How many more casualties would this create as people were caught in the crossfire. Get rid of him now!!

I have to call bullshit here.. Amercian cops are killed with their own guns 10% of the time. Cops were called on this kid dozens of times. Nobody did anything. He made social media posts professing his intentions. Nobody did anything. He was reported to the FBI who neglected to inform the local field office so again, nobody did anything. There's was a resource cop outside the school during the shooting who chickened out and didn't engage the shooter.

Teachers could be the last line of defense in the event other branches of government continue to fail.

Originally Posted by scoundrel

I am afraid that as regards school shootings America has made her bed and has no choice except to lie in it, This is the extremely predictable consequence of tolerating the 2nd Amendment as presently written and tolerating the NRA, whose goals and philosophy are incompatible with civil peace. Presumably this situation goes on because most American citizens approve of it?

You make it sound like the goals of the NRA is to promote violence. It's amazing that there's more hatred for the NRA than the twat with the gun. The NRA hasn't killed anyone or sold anyone a gun.. in fact, there's yet to be an occurrence of one of these tragedies when the shooter was a member.

Originally Posted by Davemetalhead

It doesn't matter what the average "American citizen" approves of, it's all about money and power - both of the which the NRA has a fuckin' truckload of.

Politics is about money.. Planned Parenthood spent more money on the last election than the NRA did... Unions spent more than everybody.

The REAL problem is our tendency in America to want to blame things (guns) rather than people (the shooter). We have a history of this, thanks largely to political correctness and the pussification of America.

Prime example: Richard Reid.. the nortorious "shoe bomber". After he was caught, the braintrusts in charge of protecting the country decided everybody needed to take off their shoes before boarding a plane.. rather than look at who was trying to board the plane. Wouldn't do to profile. That might hurt somebody's feelings.

More laws are basically pointless as you can't legislate the lawless. Prohibition and the War on Drugs are prime examples. The areas with the toughest gun laws in America have the worst crime (Chicago). 80% of gun violence is perpetrated with an illegally obtained firearm.

Even if this sick git couldn't have gotten a gun, he could have used the money to buy enough fertilizer to blow a hole in that school the size of a football field. Then who do we blame? Agriculture?

[Roubignol]

@Decadence
How many children would have been killed if the crazy killer would have had a knife instead of a gun?

Why do we rarely have these disasters in Europe, when we get twice the American population on our continent?

That's children who are killed AT school. If schools are not secure, which kind of society does it show?

Originally Posted by Decadence

Even if this sick git couldn't have gotten a gun, he could have used the money to buy enough fertilizer to blow a hole in that school the size of a football field. Then who do we blame? Agriculture?

He was too stupid to make a bomb.
That's not that easy to get the informations and to build one.

Originally Posted by scoundrel

I am afraid that as regards school shootings America has made her bed and has no choice except to lie in it, This is the extremely predictable consequence of tolerating the 2nd Amendment as presently written and tolerating the NRA, whose goals and philosophy are incompatible with civil peace. Presumably this situation goes on because most American citizens approve of it?

Is it still the fact that most American citizens approve of it? They must have changed their opinions after all these free massacres. Are there any real statistics today?
Several states are as strong as European countries, when other ones are totally irresponsible.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Decadence

You make it sound like the goals of the NRA is to promote violence. It's amazing that there's more hatred for the NRA than the twat with the gun. The NRA hasn't killed anyone or sold anyone a gun.. in fact, there's yet to be an occurrence of one of these tragedies when the shooter was a member.

Truthfully I consider that the NRA has objectives and goals which are directly opposed to the well being of the American people and nation and that it has proven by many years of deeds that it is a key part of America's problem with mass shootings and is resolutely determined to stop any attempts at rational gun control or gun regulation, no matter what price will be paid by innocent people. Its motives are venal and corrupt and frankly, though it claims otherwise, the NRA certainly does in reality promote violence. The NRA is opposed to civil peace and undermines civilisation. When you look at their track record as a political lobby no other assessment is reasonable on the evidence.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

How many children would have be killed if the crazy killer would have had a knife instead of a gun?

May be not as many as with a gun but there have been some major numbers racked by knife wielders (China for one).

Why do we rarely have these disasters in Europe, when we get twice the American population on our continent?

More centuries of domestication than the US?

That's children who are killed AT school. If schools are not secure, which kind of society does it show?

Poor one.

He was too stupid to make a bomb.
That's not that easy to get the informations and to build one.

You are soooo wrong there just type in build a bomb on the net as I did and there are tons of links.
Got to answer my door there is a lot of sirens and pounding on the door


Is it still the fact that most American citizens approve of it? They must have changed their opinions after all these free massacres. Are there any real statistics today?

Try a google search or some such and you can get all kinds of stats. Believable???

Several states are as strong as European countries, when other ones are totally irresponsible.

This is an issue that will never be decided either way IMO. I own guns but I actually support some laws they want to pass. Especially the 100% background checks covering ALL buyers.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

Truthfully I consider that the NRA has objectives and goals which are directly opposed to the well being of the American people and nation and that it has proven by many years of deeds that it is a key part of America's problem with mass shootings and is resolutely determined to stop any attempts at rational gun control or gun regulation, no matter what price will be paid by innocent people. Its motives are venal and corrupt and frankly, though it claims otherwise, the NRA certainly does in reality promote violence. The NRA is opposed to civil peace and undermines civilisation. When you look at their track record as a political lobby no other assessment is reasonable on the evidence.

Hey scoundrel long time no post at you.

IMO the NRA over reacts but I think I know why. I think the NRA is afraid to give in on any gun legislation because once they are reasonable how can they not be so when more such legislation comes up?
Again just my thoughts, but????

[Puhbear69]

Actually a number of US companies are going to distance to the NRA after Parkland. After Online petitions of the social media:

- First National Bank of Omaha
- Hertz
- Enterprize Holings (Alamo and National)
- Symantec Corp.
- MethLife Inc.
- Chubb Ltd.

were going on Distance to the NRA.

Just a small/little plant, but it seems now that is moving something in the US.

Keep it up !!

The NRA CEO Wayne La Pierre said on contrary:

"the socialists and the US-Media misusing the tragedy. They would mislead and cover up failures of the schools, the families and the FBI. The idea of ​​some of our opponents, that armed security makes us less secure is completely ridiculous",

he says.

Everyone could easily decide himself, what's here ridiculous !