The new "tolerant" extreme left

[BondJmsBond]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Cigarettes kill 73'000 people per year in France, probably the same number in UK.

This comparison is bankrupt like all others I have seen. Just this once I'll respond.
Cigarettes cannot form the idea that you should die because you do not believe in the same things as cigarettes do.
Yes, other things kill many people. That does not mean more death is ok.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Believe me, I'm not fond at all about religions, but what would you say, if someone would juge you, without knowing who you are or how do you behave?
Isn't it injustice?

First, it is not a religion. It's merely a well-thought-out system of domination by force. That is why I always put quotes when I mention it.

Second, if a groups 'religion', that the people in it believe before all other things, says that I must convert to it or die, then yes I absolutely judge it, and those who follow it; for they have already, without knowing me, judged me as a slave or murder victim because I am an 'infidel'.

Survival is not injustice.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by BondJmsBond

This comparison is bankrupt like all others I have seen. Just this once I'll respond.
Cigarettes cannot form the idea that you should die because you do not believe in the same things as cigarettes do.
Yes, other things kill many people. That does not mean more death is ok.

So if Islam would form the idea that we should die because we do not believe in the same things as them, could you tell me why there are not more acts of terrorisms? Because there are 4,7% of the British population who are muslims.
That's a lot of people.

Originally Posted by BondJmsBond

First, it is not a religion.

Could you clarify please?
Muslims do not believe in a religion?

Originally Posted by BondJmsBond

This comparison is bankrupt like all others I have seen. Just this once I'll respond.
Cigarettes cannot form the idea that you should die because you do not believe in the same things as cigarettes do.

Hmmm! So you are not preoccupied that some people legally push our youth in the arms of death, dependance, money problems, illnesses?
And the same people contribute to alter our health care systems?
(A smoker who has a lung cancer costs a lot of money, disturbs the medical staff and take the place that could be spared.)
And finally they put a ton of money in their wallet and are nothing else as dealers who contribute to kill more people than some stupid fanatics?

Originally Posted by BondJmsBond

Yes, other things kill many people. That does not mean more death is ok.

I never said that.
I'm against these fanatics, I even believe that insane predicators have IMMEDIATLY go to jail or sent back to their homeland, but I know muslims that are well integrated in my country. They don't smoke, they don't drink alcohol. They are tolerant.
They don't like what happened in Algeria 20 years ago.
There even were muslims who went to the police to denounce that some imams told insane comments during the preach.
I know that in Switzerland the authority immediatly kick these imams out of the country. And I fully agree with this fact.

Do you know muslims people? Do you discuss with them? If yes, are they all fanatics in your point of view?

[martynz]

Originally Posted by BondJmsBond

Of course there are.

When your own government, however, mass imports those whose 'religion' demands that they either subjugate or kill you, that is a different story.

Whose government is "mass importing".
I'm getting pissed off by these sweeping statements...please explain wtf you are taloking about.

[crinolynne]

Originally Posted by savage560

Why? I ask why, is it bad, in the mindset of the "tolerant left", ONLY for European peoples, to love their own, nations with borders (that's the reason to be a nation), cultures , languages , & even religion & want to preserve them? & contemplate the migration into Europe.

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I'll take that one. I think you'll find it impossible to identify any country with a single culture, a single language, a single religion. Countries are economic entities based mainly on geography. The Intolerant Right's concept and pursuit of purity is the same as trying to build a perpetual motion machine - they waste a lot of resources, cause a lot of damage but are doomed to failure.

[BondJmsBond]

Originally Posted by martynz

Whose government is "mass importing".
I'm getting pissed off by these sweeping statements...please explain wtf you are taloking about.

The BBC estimates that more than a million muslim migrants and refugees crossed into Europe in 2015. That's 'mass' by anyone's standards. Be pissed off if you want, I certainly didn't do it.

I don't post links, but google 'What do Europeans think about muslim immigration"

I have a question myself - Why are European Governments doing this when most of the population does not want muslim immigration? Something is wrong there.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by BondJmsBond

Why are European Governments doing this when most of the population does not want muslim immigration? Something is wrong there.

Just my opinion but it don't really count for shit,

I always consider this, not just the Muslim thing either, cast your mind back, way back to the images of a starving population in Ethiopia in the 80's, The Kurds after the Gulf War, I could go on but those images shock a westerner. Then there's Wars also.

Any major Western countries leader or leaders are always placed in a situation of what are we going to do ...... same thing happens, they're damned if they do something and damned if they don't. That's the way I look at it, if they weren't let in those shocking images will flood the TV screens a lot more than they do right now.

Me, I think there is no ideal solution to the problems with all that.

[BondJmsBond]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Just my opinion but it don't really count for shit,

I always consider this, not just the Muslim thing either, cast your mind back, way back to the images of a starving population in Ethiopia in the 80's, The Kurds after the Gulf War, I could go on but those images shock a westerner. Then there's Wars also.

Any major Western countries leader or leaders are always placed in a situation of what are we going to do ...... same thing happens, they're damned if they do something and damned if they don't. That's the way I look at it, if they weren't let in those shocking images will flood the TV screens a lot more than they do right now.

Me, I think there is no ideal solution to the problems with all that.

Yes, you're right. No ideal solution indeed. Do we stay true to our ideals or do we survive? - It increasingly seems to come down to that.

I vote to survive, not that my vote counts for shit either.

In addition, I'm slowly starting to lend some credence to savage's NWO theory; although it could be explained by politicians just wanting to import enough voters to ensure perpetual victory no matter what happens to their country..

Either way, I believe we're being suborned by those with selfish motives and I stand against it. I want our existing culture to survive; I like it

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by BondJmsBond

I believe we're being suborned by those with selfish motives

Only have a minute before I log off for some shut eye,

The thing with that Mate ... There's always the next one and one after with a motive.

I click on links here provided by members in this thread and others from members with opposing views, I read a few and skim through most only because of my role here and not through major interest myself, but a lot of those links I find one sided and like politicians will only tell you half truths or, well, bullshit.

If it were solely up to me about immigration, and only talking about my own corner of the world, yeah I'd let some in but it would be very controlled and it wouldn't be a picnic either.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by BondJmsBond

I have a question myself - Why are European Governments doing this when most of the population does not want muslim immigration? Something is wrong there.

I say you rotest too late The time to protest is not now when the refugees are looking for a safer place to live. The time to protest was when the government’s were agreeing to help the US out in these military campaigns and when they are help arm the Saudi government these were the actions that caused the migration you are currently experiencing. What did you expect was going to happen with the bombings and such? Those people were not going to stay there and die and guess who is the closest, stable place for them to live?

[BondJmsBond]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

If it were solely up to me about immigration, and only talking about my own corner of the world, yeah I'd let some in but it would be very controlled and it wouldn't be a picnic either.

Just so. Thank you.

*sparing all good folk my thoughts on controlling immigration