Will Terrorism be the norm?

[9876543210]

savage560,

Originally Posted by savage560

I spoke with several engineers on the subject of how far are we from alternative energy on a broad base & they stated we have no new technology on the fairly close horizon to replace the use of fossil fuels like oil.

These engineers didn't just happen to work for the big oil companies. Did they?

Wind power ain't gonna cut it on a grand scale, & even electric cars still need charging stations that are supplied by power sources that run on FF.We all seen what going nuclear can result to.Besides, the US has done a good job of reducing its dependency on ME oil.Russia also has become a major supplier of FF.

Somewhat correct. Wind power alone won't work. But when you combine it with solar, geo-thermal, tidal and a whole lot of other new technologies, there is more than enough power out there to replace oil.

Can we get rid of oil and coal now? At this exact moment? No. But if we prioritize it we could be mostly rid of those in 15 to 20 years with no problem.

But most importantly, what would our attitude towards Middle Eastern oil be at that time? If we no longer needed it?

[Arturo2nd]

I have a suspicion that these things run in waves or cycles. This is just a bad year. Daesh is losing its appeal and the fight on the ground. Its supply of new recruits has dwindled to a trickle. Somebody will sell out Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi fairly soon.

[savage560]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

savage560,



In a way, I've done the most I can for now. I drive a four cylinder Toyota truck with a 5 speed. About as fuel efficient as I can get. For now.

But things could be better if we improved our electronic and transportation infrastructures. Do you really disbelieve this?

And whats wrong with the Amish? I actually know a few that live not very far out of town. One family I know has a bakery and leather shop on their farm which I frequent periodically. Nice people that have a world view thats not all that bad. We could learn a few things from them.

Good people those Amish? I'm sure you are right .But I wouldn't like to be one!As much as you like posting here , I know that's true for you too.

Yes ,a few of my engineer buddies & a brother work in the petro-chemical field & yes they do know the problems & the virtues of alternative energies, but we are not quite there yet to replace oil , gas , or coal on a grand scale. I'm sure if we were there, we'd do it, with the Big Oil Corps leading the charge with the patents & control over it.Its cheaper too now to use the hard back stuff, the liquid ooze, & the natural gas.Technology is expensive to change to also.

[savage560]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

This is my take on it as well. I live in a country where anyone much under sixty has grown up around terrorism, although mainland Britain was far less exposed than Northern Ireland was. I have heard terrorist bombs explode more than once, quite close by. You need to appreciate that it is attention seeking bahaviour and the correct response if to seek out and punish the bad actors but to dismiss with contempt the actions which they perform. One day after the Nice atrocity the bars and cafes of Nice were full: the people of Nice showed that they are made of the right stuff, because it takes nerve to go out knowing that there are terrorists out there who want to kill you. but part of the answer is to grow a pair, stop whining and get on with life in defiance of the scum.

Most of us here do that right now.We get out there do our jobs,shop, carry on as usual without the real fear of terrorism getting the best of us, from cretins of any faction, including the religion of peace.Some of us I've seen are even very vocal when we protest in the streets. Did you ever go & hang your "two" "big ones" on the line, & carry a sign in the streets at your capital, federal or otherwise & state a message to one of your reps in the UK?Then, in turn let your fellow citizens know how you feel about a political issue confronting your nation?& then be willing to debate it, with those who do not support your views?Many of us have here.Including one here who is a thorn in your side too often.

I have to constrain one very close to me that has a habit of lambasting muslim women,in public, even with their men, if they wear "hibobs", hijabs, or whatever kind of head dress they wear in public. Yes Americans have plenty of those things, you mention.We saved your asses twice from the Huns, did we not?We are not Frenchmen you know.

[savage560]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

But most importantly, what would our attitude towards Middle Eastern oil be at that time? If we no longer needed it?

Talked about oil to a petrochemical engineer today, & when I told him we must get off oil, he scoffed at me & stated about how many non-fuel products oil is responsible for.Most plastics, medicinal purposes,road making materials,needed slovents, you can go on he stated. So I guess its not that simple,just to "get off oil" or other ,what we call fossil fuels that easily.

Terror will never stop in its entirety, IMO.But to keep it in a nation to an absolute minimum we must take "uncomfortable", politically incorrect & realistic measures that will not please the PC bleeding hearts.Bless their little hearts.

[9876543210]

savage560,

Originally Posted by savage560

Talked about oil to a petrochemical engineer today, & when I told him we must get off oil, he scoffed at me & stated about how many non-fuel products oil is responsible for.Most plastics, medicinal purposes,road making materials,needed slovents, you can go on he stated. So I guess its not that simple,just to "get off oil" or other ,what we call fossil fuels that easily.

Actually, the next time you see this person, ask them what percentage of oil is used to produce those products. If he is honest, he'll tell you its relative small.

Back in undergrad, I had a really good course in energy where we studied all of the sources known back then (pretty much the same as today). At that time the vast majority of oil was used for transportation (I seem to remember around 90%) with the rest being used for plastics, solvents, etc. As I remember, those are the highest use for petrochemicals, but they don't offer the highest monetary return.

See what his response is. I doubt things have changed very much.

[savage560]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

savage560,



Actually, the next time you see this person, ask them what percentage of oil is used to produce those products. If he is honest, he'll tell you its relative small.

Back in undergrad, I had a really good course in energy where we studied all of the sources known back then (pretty much the same as today). At that time the vast majority of oil was used for transportation (I seem to remember around 90%) with the rest being used for plastics, solvents, etc. As I remember, those are the highest use for petrochemicals, but they don't offer the highest monetary return.

See what his response is. I doubt things have changed very much.

We forget here a good potion of road making material is made from oil too.I don't realistically think the technology is near on our horizon to eliminate oil entirely.Most scientists & engineers agree.But we had better come up with something in the next 50 years, because the oil supply at the rate the human population is growing,is running thin, some say as short as a 40 year supply is left? If you went to school on energy related courses, I'm sure you heard this figure stated?


Do you realistically know what percent of the US is still dependant on oil?Well here you go.

http://www.rff.org/research/publicat...d-technologies

With the population of the US exploding & a leading candidate for US president claiming she will tear down "walls" & have no borders, how much more quickly will this supply dwindle?Getting a new city the size of Chicago, each & every year in the US will not help our energy prices or oil consumption.

I saw a CNN news special last night & it was stated that "Brexit" was voted in ,by many, because the UK was getting immigration that amounted to a small to medium sized city , every year in the UK.I know the UK has a pop density that is much higher than the US & all other nations in the EU, but how long will 3 million every year affect us in a decade or so?With wide open boders,wow! Just look at how much the US has expanded in pop in the last 20 years.When I was in my first year at PU, we had 190-200 million, now 40 years latter some state in actuality the population here may be nearly double that lower figure!

Yes I also too several courses on energy & sciences at Purdue & latter at another couple at a community technical college, & most profs & instructors agreed on what the engineers said currently, not anything on a wide scale for at least another 20+ years, at the least! Probably more, so you're kidding yourself if you think the technology is near.Nuclear again, is not safe because it is much more dangerous & "dirtier" because of the waste it produces.

http://instituteforenergyresearch.or.../fossil-fuels/


Happening soon?You are kidding yourself.Look at the facts not opinion.

http://news.mit.edu/2016/carbon-tax-...sil-fuels-0224

OK to reduce the threat of terror, you say don't buy oil from the ME.A thing that won't happen in the foreseeable future.But don't import millions of people from nations that are known to have hordes of people mired in barbaric, ritualistic , backwards , primitive beliefs, that practice incest on a wide scale, hey that sounds like its doable ,in the west.If you didn't have idiots like Merkel telling the people in the ME , Just come here & we'll take all of you in, this problem would not be so aggravated.

http://pickeringpost.com/story/the-c...ic-incest/1316

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/201...ons-of-incest/


A problem that is far too PC for most to come to grips to. Just like problems of what demographic of people commits crimes the most by far, in the US is. No one who is from the PC mindset can tolerate uncomfortable truths on the matter. Even when people come to the west, the old ways of backwards & detrimental mores over ride modern logic for close or a slim majority of immigrants who are of the "religion of peace" adherents.

"Houston, we have a problem!"

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2010/0...-consequences/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dren-risk.html

[oldskoolfan]

Sadly, most likely in Europe it will be. I recall as far back as 2001 when I travelled to France that all public garbage bins were sealed shut. When I asked my friend why I was told that it was because Algerian terrorists had put bombs in them during that time. Fast forward 15 years and the terrorist acts have gotten worse in France as the recent news will report.

The United states on the other hand is more questionable. There has been no large scale attack in the US since 9/11 although there have been smaller isolated killings such as San Bernadino shootings. There is high scrutiny on every muslim that enters the country as I think there should be. And although I am sympathetic to the beleaguered moderate muslim population in the US I still believe in the statement: Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most of the terrorist attacks are perpetrated Muslims(Extremist). And while these moderate muslims may are that 99% of Muslims are peaceful...well, there are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. 1% of that number leaves 160 000 dangerous muslims capable of anything. People are less afraid of the disenfranchised poor Muslims carrying an AK-47 in Iraq an Ocean away. They are more afraid of the Muslim that grew up in America, who seemed normal on all accounts...but like many others got brainwashed via social media and now in plain site are killing fellow Americans with no previous record or warning. That scares the shit out of people. The recent Gay night club shooting and all these American born Muslim assholes who are running off to join ISIS after enjoying the privelege of an American education/ lifestyle.

What protects the US the most is simply the Big ass Ocean that more widely separates Muslim countries from our own. They can't get here easiily Lol. That is why they want to recruit the weak minded in otherwise peaceful Muslim communities and remotely get them to commit acts of mass murder. I have a lot of friends who are Muslim and they all are horrified of what's going on. All the same I think they have a responsibility to more deeply monitor their own and fish out the crazies before they do more damage.

So again. Europe will always have a terrorist problem. That crap in part has helped spur Britian to leave the EU whether well informed or not as they do not want the free movement of foreigners to their country they cannot control. The USA again is always at risk but much less than Europe. Reading the recent headlines the US seems more likely at risk for a small scale race war rather a large terrorist attack...especially if Trump wins and stokes the flames. Lol.

Sad state the world is in.

[Riley Owain]

There were far more terrorism in the 70s and 80s than what it is today.

[Slayer80]

Originally Posted by Riley Owain

There were far more terrorism in the 70s and 80s than what it is today.

http://anonym.to/?http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/

i didn't even know such a terrorist attack database existed