Current Politics in the United Kingdom - Page 60

benboe · June 15th, 2016, 05:54 AM

It is so easy to get distracted by false arguments whoever is making them.
Vote remain is bombarding the public with a barrage of lies and fear and yet vote Leave are not countering with anything that people can rally behind.
I wish I knew how to cut through all the squabbling to show the people of the United Kingdom the real facts which are:

The historic inflexibility of those in power behind the EU over 5 decades.
The keeping down of the workforces of 28 nations to benefit the rich.
Anything said about the future is not fact, it is speculation.

I am sick to death of all the spin that is put out making people that confused they cannot distinguish wood from trees any more.
With 8 days to go people now need to focus on the finish line and don't get distracted before we finish.

**Puhbear69** · June 15th, 2016, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by benboe

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The historic inflexibility of those in power behind the EU over 5 decades.
The keeping down of the workforces of 28 nations to benefit the rich.
Anything said about the future is not fact, it is speculation.

[....]

Who is behind the EU power since years ???

Is the Britain having less commissionaire than the others ? Do you know him/her ?

Is Britain having less members of the EU parliament than the others ? Do you know them ? Which British parties are involved and and what's their proportion ?

What did the pro leaving EU supporting members for the workforces in the EU so far ?
Well, if -all- the other parties are behind a suppression of the workforce, fight them (I'm meaning their EU-MP's) !!! Or do you think the British are alone having this problem ? (From the north to the very south of Europe is this problem equal. It has to do with the end of the cold war in the 1990th, if you ask me!)
What I see: the Conservatives & the Right Wingers are having the majority in the EU parliament, not the Labour and the Left Parties.

I would wish too, that the things were different.
(Look actually to the US for example, a Real-Estate Billionär and a Wall Street supported Woman are fighting the majority of presidency voters, a so called "Left Winger" is "to be also running" for the presidency).

benboe · June 15th, 2016, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Puhbear69

Who is behind the EU power since years ???

Is the Britain having less commissionaire than the others ? Do you know him/her ?

Is Britain having less members of the EU parliament than the others ? Do you know them ? Which British parties are involved and and what's their proportion ?

What did the pro leaving EU supporting members for the workforces in the EU so far ?
Well, if -all- the other parties are behind a suppression of the workforce, fight them (I'm meaning their EU-MP's) !!! Or do you think the British are alone having this problem ? (From the north to the very south of Europe is this problem equal. It has to do with the end of the cold war in the 1990th, if you ask me!)
What I see: the Conservatives & the Right Wingers are having the majority in the EU parliament, not the Labour and the Left Parties.

I would wish too, that the things were different.
(Look actually to the US for example, a Real-Estate Billionär and a Wall Street supported Woman are fighting the majority of presidency voters, a so called "Left Winger" is "to be also running" for the presidency).

I am sorry Puhbear but there is not one question that you ask that I find coherent.
My statement was based on 57 years living in and watching news reported in Britain.

**Puhbear69** · June 15th, 2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by benboe

I am sorry Puhbear but there is not one question that you ask that I find coherent.
My statement was based on 57 years living in and watching news reported in Britain.

And therefore you putting your house shoes on, sitting on your couch in front of your TV with a bag of potato-chips and a bottle of beer in the hand and saying: "Let's go boys, what's going on with the (-your-) EU".

"Hallelujah!" .... like this it cannot work. Really no question in my posting before which is coherent with the situation in Britain ???

As I said some posts before: (politics are-) it's no "Kismet" or a "Gamble" what's the output of the EU. That I wanted to make clear.

I suppose, like this you are gambling with the future of your country !!

benboe · June 15th, 2016, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Puhbear69

And therefore you putting your house shoes on, sitting on your couch in front of your TV with a bag of potato-chips and a bottle of beer in the hand and saying: "Let's go boys, what's going on with the (-your-) EU".

"Hallelujah!" .... like this it cannot work. Really no question in my posting before which is coherent with the situation in Britain ???

As I said some posts before: (politics are-) it's no "Kismet" or a "Gamble" what's the output of the EU. That I wanted to make clear.

I suppose, like this you are gambling with the future of your country !!

I appreciate that English may not be your mother tongue Puhbear but I am in great difficulty understanding any comments you make.
At no point have I ever said anyone should gamble on a political issue yet when a person makes any decision they make there is always a "what if" factor in any outcome hence it is a gamble.
There is a gamble when you flip a coin on if it will be heads or tails or a much riskier gamble on the winner of a horse race.
Now someone betting £10,000 on a horse race may be considered reckless until you find that person has information assurring the horse they bet on will have a guaranteed win.
While the person flipping the coin may be considered trivial until you find out that they are deciding on the toss of a coin wether to go to war or not.
May be the fact that language can so easily be misinterpreted, is another reason why the EU does not work.

I may thank you for your comments but that doesn't mean I agree with your views.

**Puhbear69** · June 15th, 2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by benboe

I appreciate that English may not be your mother tongue Puhbear but I am in great difficulty understanding any comments you make.
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I may thank you for your comments but that doesn't mean I agree with your views.

What makes you sure, that English isn't my mother tongue ?
Joking aside: Even in my mother tongue some are claiming, they wouldn't understand me. That's directly connected with the effort, to understand the reflections of somebody else.

Well, no one has to agree with the views at my posts before, but I think it's important to think about it for a while.

**palo5** · June 15th, 2016, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by otokonomidori

I've been following the currency markets for the last few months and so in the middle of last night I bought myself a couple of thousand quids worth of Japanese Yen as I sense a significant fall in the value of the £ is close.

If you think they'll really leave, gold would be a better bet. None of the major paper currencies are attractive right now. There are only bad and less bad choices

benboe · June 15th, 2016, 08:14 PM

Today's announcement is that the economy will be hit so badly by a vote to leave that an emergency budget will be necessary putting a 2pence in the pound rise in income tax necessary as well as other costs.

Does the chancellor really think the British people will believe this and bend over to accept the EU is our best choice?
Add to that Corbyn in alliance with Cameron on Prime ministers questions in an unpaid 45 minute advert for the remain campaign.

What contempt these politicians have for our population.
Vote leave and then we can get rid of these excuses of leading figures with a vote of no confidence in them.

**seany65** · June 15th, 2016, 08:20 PM

@benboe, it won't be necassary, but I'm pretty sure they'll do it, even if it's to just damage the economy so much that it causes an economic crash.

That way, they may persuade us to re-enter the EU and maybe even persuade us that we have to get rid of the pound and take the Euro.

I think that'll be their plan even fit doesn't work.

jpjayjayp · June 15th, 2016, 09:00 PM

We put more money into the EU than we take out. So, if we leave, they'll be short of cash.
Now, hands up everyone who thinks that'll encourage the French & Germans (who'll be making up the shortfall) to give us a really good deal on stuff like hanging onto our research grants, allowing us access to their markets, and not sticking tariffs on all our imports from the EU (hint: Ireland is the only EU country where we sell more than we buy).
No; they'll shaft us, twice. Once because of the direct cash cost to them, and the second time because they don't want anyone else getting the same idea. Like it or not, they really *believe* in Europe over there, but it'll only work with plenty of members. If we show that leaving really isn't that hard & makes you better off, it'll kill Europe. If they can prove that even we get a crap deal (and realistically, no-one would get a better one than us) then it'd discourage anyone else from trying the same stunt.
Remain won't be a bed of roses; if it would, they'd tell us that instead of making up numbers about how bad leave would be. But Leave would wipe out the City of London, and that would knacker our whole economy. [Reasoning: London is worth more to our GDP than Scotland, Wales & NI combined, and that's because it's the biggest capital market in Europe (bigger than every other capital market in all other 27 states added together type biggest) - but it's big because we have the best lawyers, banks & FS teams (many from French & German banks) and because it's in the EU. A shed load of the finance we handle is here because we're the best EU venue. Leave, the EU, we lose the cash - and believe me, France and Germany have been trying for years to get a bit of our FS action; give them a sniff at wiping us out & they'll take it]
Oh, and don't go thinking Obama's bluffing either. The US want us in Europe because we're an ally for them, an Anglo Saxon type economy that they understand and who think the same way they do to give their ideology a voice in EC & EP negotiations. If we leave, they'll be pissed because the only English speaking nation left in Europe will be Ireland. Ireland isn't looking forward to that, and with good reason; a lot of the "European Dream" guys see Ireland as a parasite who joined for the subsidies, and then shafted the rest of Europe by implementing a CT regime that stiffed everyone else. Plus their lawyers aren't as good as ours. Without us around, they'll get an even rougher ride, and they certainly won't be able to advance US interests in Europe.
Remain may not be a disney dream land of fairy dust and unicorns, but leave will be sheer hell; Europe will punish us for leaving, the US will punish us for leaving, and the Chinese won't even care but will see us as a smaller obstacle without Europe to protect us. We may be the 5th or 9th beiggest economy in the world, but no-one outside the UK is particularly motivated to push us up a notch or two, especially at their own expense. If we leave, everyone will want to advance themselves at our expense. After all, it's what we'd do to them isn't it?

June 15th, 2016, 08:14 PM	#598
benboe Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 142 Thanks: 608 Thanked 1,167 Times in 140 Posts	Today's announcement is that the economy will be hit so badly by a vote to leave that an emergency budget will be necessary putting a 2pence in the pound rise in income tax necessary as well as other costs. Does the chancellor really think the British people will believe this and bend over to accept the EU is our best choice? Add to that Corbyn in alliance with Cameron on Prime ministers questions in an unpaid 45 minute advert for the remain campaign. What contempt these politicians have for our population. Vote leave and then we can get rid of these excuses of leading figures with a vote of no confidence in them. __________________ I may thank you for your comment ..... But that does not mean I agree with what you say.

June 15th, 2016, 08:20 PM	#599
seany65 Vintage Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,652 Thanks: 80,476 Thanked 32,738 Times in 3,528 Posts	@benboe, it won't be necassary, but I'm pretty sure they'll do it, even if it's to just damage the economy so much that it causes an economic crash. That way, they may persuade us to re-enter the EU and maybe even persuade us that we have to get rid of the pound and take the Euro. I think that'll be their plan even fit doesn't work. __________________ <-- That's Emer Kenny and I want to be stuck in her front bottom. Quote from electrofreak : I'd rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned.

June 15th, 2016, 05:54 AM	#591
benboe Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 142 Thanks: 608 Thanked 1,167 Times in 140 Posts	It is so easy to get distracted by false arguments whoever is making them. Vote remain is bombarding the public with a barrage of lies and fear and yet vote Leave are not countering with anything that people can rally behind. I wish I knew how to cut through all the squabbling to show the people of the United Kingdom the real facts which are: The historic inflexibility of those in power behind the EU over 5 decades. The keeping down of the workforces of 28 nations to benefit the rich. Anything said about the future is not fact, it is speculation. I am sick to death of all the spin that is put out making people that confused they cannot distinguish wood from trees any more. With 8 days to go people now need to focus on the finish line and don't get distracted before we finish.

June 15th, 2016, 09:00 PM	#600
jpjayjayp Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 69 Thanked 25 Times in 2 Posts	We put more money into the EU than we take out. So, if we leave, they'll be short of cash. Now, hands up everyone who thinks that'll encourage the French & Germans (who'll be making up the shortfall) to give us a really good deal on stuff like hanging onto our research grants, allowing us access to their markets, and not sticking tariffs on all our imports from the EU (hint: Ireland is the only EU country where we sell more than we buy). No; they'll shaft us, twice. Once because of the direct cash cost to them, and the second time because they don't want anyone else getting the same idea. Like it or not, they really believe in Europe over there, but it'll only work with plenty of members. If we show that leaving really isn't that hard & makes you better off, it'll kill Europe. If they can prove that even we get a crap deal (and realistically, no-one would get a better one than us) then it'd discourage anyone else from trying the same stunt. Remain won't be a bed of roses; if it would, they'd tell us that instead of making up numbers about how bad leave would be. But Leave would wipe out the City of London, and that would knacker our whole economy. [Reasoning: London is worth more to our GDP than Scotland, Wales & NI combined, and that's because it's the biggest capital market in Europe (bigger than every other capital market in all other 27 states added together type biggest) - but it's big because we have the best lawyers, banks & FS teams (many from French & German banks) and because it's in the EU. A shed load of the finance we handle is here because we're the best EU venue. Leave, the EU, we lose the cash - and believe me, France and Germany have been trying for years to get a bit of our FS action; give them a sniff at wiping us out & they'll take it] Oh, and don't go thinking Obama's bluffing either. The US want us in Europe because we're an ally for them, an Anglo Saxon type economy that they understand and who think the same way they do to give their ideology a voice in EC & EP negotiations. If we leave, they'll be pissed because the only English speaking nation left in Europe will be Ireland. Ireland isn't looking forward to that, and with good reason; a lot of the "European Dream" guys see Ireland as a parasite who joined for the subsidies, and then shafted the rest of Europe by implementing a CT regime that stiffed everyone else. Plus their lawyers aren't as good as ours. Without us around, they'll get an even rougher ride, and they certainly won't be able to advance US interests in Europe. Remain may not be a disney dream land of fairy dust and unicorns, but leave will be sheer hell; Europe will punish us for leaving, the US will punish us for leaving, and the Chinese won't even care but will see us as a smaller obstacle without Europe to protect us. We may be the 5th or 9th beiggest economy in the world, but no-one outside the UK is particularly motivated to push us up a notch or two, especially at their own expense. If we leave, everyone will want to advance themselves at our expense. After all, it's what we'd do to them isn't it?