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March 6th, 2019, 01:19 AM | #3371 | ||
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People can come up with a thousand excuses not to do something they don't want to do. So now what? A lecture? Forbidden forever to use the communal lawn mowers to mow the lawn? (the neighbors will love that one. ) Quote:
What if after the sewer work they still won't clean the lawn mowers? A year in the gulag? By then they'll be really pissed, and you'll have a "dissident" on your hands. Then what, executed for sloppy lawn mower maintenance? Monetary incentives work better. They just do. Because people don't like getting behind in the money race. It's human nature. And if a rich person fails to wash the mower, or return the rental car with a full tank of gas, because they decided it was inconvenient, they PAY for it, and somebody benefits from the extra money. Maybe Pedro the lawn boy gets overtime because he has to clean the mower. The car company makes an extra profit over and above replacing the gas. It's a win-win for everybody.
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That's why USSR and other dictatorships still used Money. Nothing's wrong with Money per se.
Capitalism is above all a system of values. Now I cannot call it good - but neither call it bad. I just don't understand it. Communist system, on the other hand, I understand perfectly. It's core is simplicity. I can explain it all but only after you explain me Capitalism. For example, why Websites can earn money? Why Facebook is valued billions? Aren't most websites completely free to use? |
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March 6th, 2019, 10:04 PM | #3374 | |
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Your question reminds me of the time I read a memo generated by the marketing department of my employer that referred to us employees as "marketing units." Up until then I believed that we were human beings valued for our skills and partnership in the enterprise. I feel fortunate that I was able to escape my cubicle before it was converted to a holding pen used to confine me as I was fattened up prior to being auctioned off. |
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Surely there shouldn't be a pooling of all money into a few corporations? Which then can ruin or enrich whole countries (ruined Yugoslavia, enriched Arabia)? Last edited by Enrico32; March 7th, 2019 at 05:49 AM.. |
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That's to the collectivity to juge if it agrees to let the communal lawn mowers to an asshole who never cleans it. Tolerant communities will let this asshole abusing for the collectivity, less tolerant ones will explain to him how to be less an asshole. What's wrong with that? Quote:
The only thing that you defend here is, that there are people who have the rights to get unjustified privileges. That's all. But I'll not spend too much time in this topic to answer to particular cases that the community would solve by itself. Quote:
Maybe Pedro doesn't want overtime and will be late to meet his girlfriend who will be rapped by the guy who didn't clean the lawn mower, when Pedro wasted his time to clean the lawn mower for 5$ more cash. In that case it's a total loss for Pedro. Thanks this argument, I demonstrate that all the Capitalist arguments are fallacious. We don't have to agree that artificial value of money can dictate our life. Quote:
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Marx thought that "primitive Communism" failed, because it was not worldwide. XXth century Socialist countries failed to reach the Communist state, because they were weaker than Capitalist alliance (Capitalist masters and their stooges). If all American soldiers would have behaved like Mohamed Ali (who didn't want to fight against people who wanted to be free), I suppose that today Capitalism would be weaker. |
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A less tolerant community will have to resort to force against the lazy, because "explaining" wont be enough. They'll laugh at you when you try to explain how it is unfair for them not to clean the lawn mowers, and then you'll have to get out the whips and beat their lazy asses until they are screaming for mercy and promise to clean the lawn mowers to avoid further pain. "Successful" Communist societies use force and threats to maintain modes of social behavior, just like capitalist societies do, only the methods are different. You need to understand that only a few percent of the population would ever make "good" communists due to their fundamental nature, the rest of the population either doesn't care about society at large, or are too lazy to do their fair share, or want to take advantage of the system and rule over everyone else if the opportunity arises. That is human nature.
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March 7th, 2019, 08:51 PM | #3378 | |
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Logically in Communism, only assholes go to the gulag, when in Capitalism that's more difficult to define. In Capitalism, a poor guy, who steals rich people who don't want to share their wealth, will spend days to years in jail. BTW, did you watch this documentary? https://youtu.be/hUxkzMaqYQ8 It seems that people can live without money and be happy. That's what means REAL Communism to me. (I must say that I do not really like the end of this documentary. ) Last edited by Roubignol; March 7th, 2019 at 08:57 PM.. |
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If this is so, then why does Communism always have to be imposed and enforced?
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I guess being hungry makes you an asshole under Communism.
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