Militant Islamists

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

It appears that blame has been placed on a little known radical Muslim group for the Sri Lanka attacks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/w...d-jamaath.html

Yeah, I heard they were done in retaliation to the New Zealand attack.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

Yeah, I heard they were done in retaliation to the New Zealand attack.

Just excuses. These people would never stop attacking defenceless worshippers from other faiths no matter how well their own faith was being treated. They are motivated by the same zealotry, lust for power and greed for spoil which has drove the Crusaders and doubtless drove Vikings, Saxons, Romans and endless previous generations of evil-doers. This attack would probably have occurred in isolation and regardless of any other events, past or future.

To make it absolutely clear, Muslims in Sri Lamka are mostly as shocked and horrified as everyone else; and often quite puzzled that the Christians were the targets, given that their main tension there is with the Buddhist Sinhalese majority. This may well have come from outside Sri Lanka, the way the New Zealand attack came from outside New Zealand.

[crinolynne]

Originally Posted by sea-man

I am a Mizrahi, who are you???
The media are putting people who nobody has heard from, sky = fox put on a person called a "security expert". Never heard about him before, no named organisation, a real nobody.
Another "experts say" or "diplomats say" or "from a website" - but cannot name them.

Curiously, I don't care who or what you are? Irrelevant.

The fallacy of taking a single data point and averring that it represents the entire population is unfortunately very common among those who would use emotion to derail constructive dialogue.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by crinolynne

Curiously, I don't care who or what you are? Irrelevant.

The fallacy of taking a single data point and averring that it represents the entire population is unfortunately very common among those who would use emotion to derail constructive dialogue.

It is NOT irrelevant IMO. Who and what a person(s) is, how they were raised, educated, and life experiences make each individual just that an individual. Yes some or even many may share the same background but they are all slightly different than the next.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

Just excuses. These people would never stop attacking defenceless worshippers from other faiths no matter how well their own faith was being treated. They are motivated by the same zealotry, lust for power and greed for spoil which has drove the Crusaders and doubtless drove Vikings, Saxons, Romans and endless previous generations of evil-doers. This attack would probably have occurred in isolation and regardless of any other events, past or future.

funny, I see no evidence of what you're saying as far as them attacking for whatever reason. I have not seen these Muslim organizations attack people that usually hasn't messed with a lands first. I mean when's the last time they attacked Japan or South America? Usually when they have attacked the place it has been because they fill that place has transgressed though. And by no means do I feel that they are justified by attacking but they seem to have been consistent in having a precipitating action involved in their actions.

Originally Posted by scoundrel

To make it absolutely clear, Muslims in Sri Lamka are mostly as shocked and horrified as everyone else; and often quite puzzled that the Christians were the targets, given that their main tension there is with the Buddhist Sinhalese majority. This may well have come from outside Sri Lanka, the way the New Zealand attack came from outside New Zealand.

I can agree that this is possible an outside source planned this attack and I hesitate to group Muslims all together just like I would hesitate to group any people together as being of one mind. just says we view the perpetrator of the Christ Church Massacre as an individual we must also view the group that carried out the bombings the same way.

[Brecht]

Last Tuesday, 37 men were executed in Saudi Arabia. 36 were beheaded while one of them was crucified. Yes, crucified. All belonged to the Shiite minority. This process, which was anything but fair, is more likely supposed to signal a message to the entire Schia minority. Where is the outrage in our corporate media, usually quick in condemning Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, China and Iran? Where is that "freedom" and "democracy" babble we're used to from Trump and his goons Pompeo, Bolton and whatever their names are?

Oh, wait: Saudi Arabia is a "factor of stability" and a good business partner. Our corporations are making billions supplying them with state-of-the-art weaponry. There's no dictatorship as vile and brutal as Saudi Arabia. The ideology of ISIS, also known as wahhabism, originated in Saudi Arabia and is being spread all over the world with Saudi money. All the idiots who left Europe to fight for the so-called Islamic State were indoctrinated with Saudi money. Call it a "side investment" from the West's old buddy and main business partner in the Middle East.

The terrorists who murdered those people in Sri Lanka (btw, seems like there are less victims than originally thought) are adherents of the same cult of death. Sure, these people don't need Christchurch and similar events to justify their terrorist attacks. It's all part of their ideology but that ideology wouldn't have been so widespread if the West hadn't been courting and sponsoring jihadist fanatics for the sake of regime change and good export records. Apart from financing and arming Islamic fanatics in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and who knows where else, Western ruling circles made sure the wahhabites from Saudi Arabia and other gulf states can freely distribute their propaganda all over Europe, with money, printed propaganda and "visiting preachers". Opposing that could upset "our" business partners, so let's pretend it's not happening until the next bombing of a train station or concert hall.

[Old Jud]

Originally Posted by Brecht

Last Tuesday, 37 men were executed in Saudi Arabia. 36 were beheaded while one of them was crucified. Yes, crucified. All belonged to the Shiite minority. This process, which was anything but fair, is more likely supposed to signal a message to the entire Schia minority. Where is the outrage in our corporate media, usually quick in condemning Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, China and Iran? Where is that "freedom" and "democracy" babble we're used to from Trump and his goons Pompeo, Bolton and whatever their names are?

Oh, wait: Saudi Arabia is a "factor of stability" and a good business partner. Our corporations are making billions supplying them with state-of-the-art weaponry. There's no dictatorship as vile and brutal as Saudi Arabia. The ideology of ISIS, also known as wahhabism, originated in Saudi Arabia and is being spread all over the world with Saudi money. All the idiots who left Europe to fight for the so-called Islamic State were indoctrinated with Saudi money. Call it a "side investment" from the West's old buddy and main business partner in the Middle East.

The terrorists who murdered those people in Sri Lanka (btw, seems like there are less victims than originally thought) are adherents of the same cult of death. Sure, these people don't need Christchurch and similar events to justify their terrorist attacks. It's all part of their ideology but that ideology wouldn't have been so widespread if the West hadn't been courting and sponsoring jihadist fanatics for the sake of regime change and good export records. Apart from financing and arming Islamic fanatics in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and who knows where else, Western ruling circles made sure the wahhabites from Saudi Arabia and other gulf states can freely distribute their propaganda all over Europe, with money, printed propaganda and "visiting preachers". Opposing that could upset "our" business partners, so let's pretend it's not happening until the next bombing of a train station or concert hall.

Not to mention what Saudi Arabia is doing in Yemen, the silence of the West is deafening when it comes to Saudi Arabia's actions globally and their human rights records.
Still, we mustn't be too critical of our 'Ally', just in case the price or availability of their OIL is impacted......

[Nilpy]

You have to understand that the Muslim world feels it is under attack by the non-muslim attitudes to sex, the womens role, and democratic principles expounded by western cultures.

In essence, they are lashing out because they are scared that their way of life and way of thought is being destroyed. That does not make their violent actions justifiable, just as the crusaders actions in the twelfth century were/are unacceptable.

Lashing out is what children do, we have to grow up.

As long as we think of ourselves as being from a 'nation' we will always be at odds with others, not from our 'nation'.
The threat of invasion from an alien source would really pull humanity together.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by Nilpy

You have to understand that the Muslim world feels it is under attack by the non-muslim attitudes to sex, the womens role, and democratic principles expounded by western cultures.

In essence, they are lashing out because they are scared that their way of life and way of thought is being destroyed. That does not make their violent actions justifiable, just as the crusaders actions in the twelfth century were/are unacceptable.

Lashing out is what children do, we have to grow up.

As long as we think of ourselves as being from a 'nation' we will always be at odds with others, not from our 'nation'.
The threat of invasion from an alien source would really pull humanity together.

I think your view of this is very simplistic in this matter.
The problem with the militant Islamist though is that they don't feel threatened IMO. They just want every one to comply with their views and mores. They like to use any excuse to attack those that can not defend themselves.
My personal opinion of them is that they are basically cowards in general and pick on those they think they can intimidate.
Yes in some places they will stand and fight but only when they can't get out in time in most cases.

[ellias]

"Lashing out is what children do, we have to grow up.

The threat of invasion from an alien source would really pull humanity together."


In one breath you say "we have to grow up".

In the next breath, you're hoping for an alien invasion.

My only question.... Your parents need to restrict internet usage of their 12 year old son.