Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Nobody1]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Comrades! The kulak uprising in your five districts must be crushed without pity ... You must make example of these people.
(1) Hang (I mean hang publicly, so that people see it) at least 100 kulaks, rich bastards, and known bloodsuckers.
(2) Publish their names.
(3) Seize all their grain.
(4) Single out the hostages per my instructions in yesterday's telegram. Do all this so that for miles around people see it all, understand it, tremble, and tell themselves that we are killing the bloodthirsty kulaks and that we will continue to do so ...
Yours, Lenin.

Source?

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Well that's admirably clear. And the Bolsheviks found themselves the "hardest" man of them all in Stalin.

According to Solzhenitsyn... there were plenty of Jewish leaders of early Soviet burocracy as cruel as Stalin.
Recently Putin recalled during a speech that "Up to 80 - 85% of the first Bolshevik governement were Jews"
They killed 2 millions Christian Russian elites from 1917 to 1919 and 8 millions Christian Russians from 1917 to 1924.
Surprisingly... it seems that the today anti-Soviet propaganda totally forget them.
It's like that all the fault was from the "Georgian" guy.
Today mainstream medias only quote Stalin, when Jewish Lazar Kaganovitch was at least as cruel and quoted by Ukrainians as the guy responsible of the Holomodor.

So... IMO, all your stories have nothing to do with Communism, but maybe more hatred between religions.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by Nobody1

Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Hanging_Order


here you go

Of course it may lose a little in translation from the obviously more gentle communist tone of the original source material

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by Nobody1

Source?

Telegram to the Penza Gubernia Executive Committee of the Soviets in J. Brooks and G. Chernyavskiy's, "Lenin and the Making of the Soviet State: A Brief History with Documents" (2007). Bedford/St Martin's: Boston and New York: p.77

https://www.amazon.com/Lenin-Making-.../dp/0312412665

http://history.jhu.edu/2006/10/26/le...ith-documents/

Originally Posted by xyzde69

there were plenty of Jewish leaders of early Soviet burocracy as cruel as Stalin.

Nice. So now you add Jews to your list of

Originally Posted by xyzde69

hidden facists, supranationalists and ugly people

?

You really have a broad spectrum of contempt, and you'd have fit right in with Stalin, who very busily purged Jews. Just like Stalin, you've got a long list of people who have to disappear before we can "build Socialism", and now you've added Jews to the list. Who else is on that list? Just how many categories of people have to disappear before we can "build socialism"?

FWIW, Stalin's very last purge was the so-called "Doctors Plot", where he fantasized that Jewish doctors were conspiring to kill him, and had them and assorted other Jews arrested.

Luckily for them, Stalin died before they were put on trial and shot. With Stalin's death, all charges were dropped.

[Nobody1]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Hanging_Order


here you go

Of course it may lose a little in translation from the obviously more gentle communist tone of the original source material

The original text.

To the Gubernia Executive Committee, Penza
A copy for Yevgenia Bogdanovna Bosch

Your telegram received. Essential to organise a reinforced guard of selected and reliable people, to carry out a campaign of ruthless mass terror against the kulaks, priests and whiteguards; suspects to be shut up in a detention camp outside the city. Get the office working.
Telegraph fulfilment.

Lenin
Chairman, Council of People’s Commissars

https://www.marxists.org/archive/len...18/aug/09c.htm

Btw, revolts under war conditions are not cozy little afternoon tea parties with avocado toast. As you should know since the US massacre of Fallujah.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Nice. So now you add Jews to your list of ?

Why do you mix everything one more time ?

One is the comment of Gorbatchev about why he didn't manage to modernize the Communist party.

The others are observations of Nobel Price Soljenitsyn in his book "Two Hundred Years Together" on Russian-Jewish relations since 1772 and a comment of Putin telling that:

"Решение о национализации этой библиотеки было принято первым советским правительством, и членами его являлись примерно на 80-85% евреи. Но они же, руководствуясь ложными идеологическими соображениями, шли тогда на аресты и репрессии и иудеев, и православных, и представителей других конфессий, мусульман — они всех гребли под одну гребенку", — сказал также Путин. По его словам, теперь эти "идеологические шоры и ложные идеологические установки, — они, слава Богу, рухнули. И мы действительно сегодня, по сути, передаем еврейской общине эти книги с улыбкой".

"The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, and its members were about 80-85% Jews, but they were also guided by false ideological considerations, then went to the arrests and repression of Jews and Orthodox and representatives of other faiths, Muslims - they all rowed the same way, "

Putin said. According to him, now these

"ideological blinders and false ideological attitudes - they, thank God, have collapsed, and we really today, in fact, pass on the books to the Jewish community with a smile."

[Roubignol]

Anyway... I just have demonstrated in answer 2132 ,that I totally discredited the Deepsepia's assertion telling that a unique Party can't be democratic and unable having independent institutions limiting a risk of being authoritarian.

I hope that you will be fair enough to agree with that fact.
Thank you.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Why do you mix everything one more time ?

I'm just taking note of the categories of people you believe interfere with building socialism

So far, you've identified:

Originally Posted by xyzde69

hidden facists, supranationalists and ugly people

and

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Jewish leaders

Is that the entire list? Again, you'd have fit right in with Stalin, who had his lists too.

Or do you have more people to add?

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Anyway... I just have demonstrated in answer 2132 ,that I totally discredited the Deepsepia's assertion telling that a unique Party can't be democratic and unable having independent institutions limiting a risk of being authoritarian.

I hope that you will be fair enough to agree with that fact.
Thank you.

No sorry xyzzzz but you have demonstrated no such thing, you have merely come up with a wish list of what your imaginary utopian future looks like in your own imagination, there is nothing factual there.
It will fall flat on its face as soon as the natural human desire for some people to want to better themselves kicks in. Only twisted dreamers with very limited imaginations want to live in such a world where the state does everything for you.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

I'm just taking note of the categories of people you believe interfere with building socialism

So far, you've identified:



and



Is that the entire list? Again, you'd have fit right in with Stalin, who had his lists too.

Or do you have more people to add?

You told that:

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Terror was part of the Bolshevik project from the very beginning. .

As playing here the great historian, you surely know that Boshevik leaders mainly were Jews.

So what is your goal here ?