Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Enrico32]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Please, don't be shocked either, see I do believe it should be made easier for less wealthy people to become wealthy ..... but do not think for a minute I agree that it should be taken from those that worked hard to earn it just so those that didn't do become wealthier.

How do you find the system of absentee ownership honest?
Like when people who run the business are poorer than those who just own it? And how these owners, owning too many businesses to be competent in them all, suddenly step in to make radical changes everywhere?

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by Enrico32

Like when people who run the business are poorer than those who just own it?

1. Nobody is forced to work for a business
2. If you're not happy with the business, you can freely leave
3. People should be responsible for their own wealth and not have it taken care of by others or the Government.

Quite seriously, If I owned a business and put up my own ideas to get it running, put up the financial risk and put in more hours than just an employee I'd damn well pay myself more.

1. I seriously hate it when poor complain about being poor.

2. I seriously admire it when a poor person does something about it to become better off financially

Happy with my thoughts ???

Perhaps now you'd like to comment on my previous post to this with pictures of missing kids ??? or does plain reality of the depths of Communism not deserve a mention ???

Oh, sorry, It wasn't a real Communist State

In fact, I remember 1978 and 79 well for one thing, Australia being so close it was of concern, Being only 11 at the time, it was in the news a lot but didn't really care being only that age. I clearly remember Dad swearing at the TV, Fucking Commie this and Fucking Commie that ...... I did understand it later that year when at School the very small Cambodian community in my hometown wanted people to become more aware of what was going on so they asked the schools to have every Friday no lunches served in the canteen except for one thing, plain rice in a paper cup and one serve only. That community supplied the rice, cooked it and served it to us, the money went to them and did whatever they needed with it, parents were also sent letters to help out by sending kids to school with no lunch so we were forced to only open the door very slightly for a peek into going hungry and the reality of living collectively ... I still didn't get it much but vividly remember thing it all sucks.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

1. I seriously hate it when poor complain about being poor.

How can you earn big money when you are poor, when you are unable to buy tools or means of productions ?

When you have a good idea, big enterprises steal it and produce the same cheaper, because they get money and better means of production.
That's what happen in all the sectors. With Wallmart, with car industry, with energy providers, etc...

Do you know why you are a Capitalist stooge ?
Because you never was rich enough to realize your dreams or compete with enterprises that had a massive Capital.
You had two choices:

a) starving
b) being a stooge.

You sadly didn't understand the problems of Capitalism.
You maybe are glad to be a wealthy stooge, but please... please, don't spit at the face of people born poor...
In Capitalist societies, when you are born poor, you start the Marathon of life with a weight of 10 kg on your shoulders, when rich ones get a horse to do the same race.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

2. I seriously admire it when a poor person does something about it to become better off financially

It could be easier if the wealth was better shared.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

1. Nobody is forced to work for a business
2. If you're not happy with the business, you can freely leave
3. People should be responsible for their own wealth and not have it taken care of by others or the Government.

Oh yeah... Do you think your parents were not forced to work to raise you ?

Your sentences are 1000000 times pure hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Exactly,



Really

Tell that to these people,



I'm sure they will wholeheartedly agree
That's the reality of dream

I hate doing this, I'm gonna Springsteen,
"Is a dream a lie if it don't come true or is it something worse"

Didn't you understand that those pictures are used by your owners (the leisure class) to protect themselves in the future of all the new attempts to create an egalitarian society.
YOU ARE MANIPULATED!

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

How can you earn big money when you are poor, when you are unable to buy tools or means of productions ?

By getting off your arse and doing something about it is how.

My parents came here in the 1950's, a few US dollars each, a suitcase each, knew nobody and only knew enough English to keep them out of trouble.

They found work, sugar cane fields in North Queensland, that sunshine is hard work, tobacco farms further up North Queensland.

Saved just enough to be able to move more widely around the country till they finally settled in Victoria, found more work in factories m saved enough to be able to afford buying a half acre of land and build a house on it just out of my hometown, that was early 60's by this time, Mum worked until the bank loan was paid off and that my friend was after having 3 sons.

Mum still lives in that very same house getting closer to 60 years now, Dad passed away in 2015, I damn well know he was proud of what he'd achieved after fleeing Communism and starting a new life with next to nothing but a few dollars and some clothes.

It is really fucking annoying listening to reading anything about "How do I" or "How can become wealthy" , especially when one is a native of a country and cannot figure it out themselves, the answers to those questions are already there but you've just got to get off the "Oh whoa, the poor" bandwagon and motivate yourselves to become rich. I am seriously sick of people wanting to be handed things. Mum and Dad never took a cent from the Government until Dad retired and took a part pension, they had plenty saved up to not require a full pension.

That same story about my parents can be repeated many thousands of times in Australia.

Can't wait for the next excuse why poor are poor

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Didn't you understand that those pictures are used by your owners (the leisure class) to protect themselves in the future of all the new attempts to create an egalitarian society.
YOU ARE MANIPULATED!

Yeah, I guess they are as fake as my cousin getting murdered

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

By getting off your arse and doing something about it is how.

[...]

That same story about my parents can be repeated many thousands of times in Australia.

Can't wait for the next excuse why poor are poor

So you are glad (or proud) that your parents were poor during a long part of their life ?
Exploited by Australian Capitalist owners, earning a small wage.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Yeah, I guess they are as fake as my cousin getting murdered

The past is the past... it's over.

Lets face the future and create again a more fair and egalitarian society.

You defend injustice. I do not understand that.

[Silicone Carne]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

The past is the past... it's over.

Except that's what you're constantly doing: Hopelessely trying to teach us about how the past, especially the communist one, was soooo much better and that we should all get back to when your ideology was ruling some countries.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Your sentences are 1000000 times pure hypocrisy.

But your entire posts are not only 1000000 times hypocritical but at least 100000000000 times purely Utopian romantic idiocy

Many of the rich people you whine about constantly as E said earned their wealth by using their intelligence and skills and not relying on the state to do everything like marxist battery hens. Many started off poor as you can see by looking online and not constantly reading communist apologist bullshit

http://uk.businessinsider.com/billio...othing-2013-12
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/11/10-b...dirt-poor.html
https://list25.com/25-rich-and-famou...once-homeless/

As pointed out marxist ideology stifles thought so many successful musicians and writers would never have got started, they need freedom to create and marxism fears creative thought.

If marxism is the answer the only thing we can be sure of is it was a fucking stupid question

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

So you are glad (or proud) that your parents were poor during a long part of their life ?
Exploited by Australian Capitalist owners, earning a small wage.

Wrong
They came here poor, fleeing communism

They became, like me, upper middle class and lower wealthy class because they made the system work for them ...... what part of that will you not understand you're assuming they were paid little they earned an average wage, like most, only Dad worked overtime every second Saturday was his own choice, never worked Sunday, Catholic

Get this right, they came here by choice, they were not exploited, that's your fucked up assumption, again Mum who is now in her mid 80's lives very very comfortably, has everything she needs and more but want's nothing.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

You defend injustice. I do not understand that.

Injustice is defending the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot by liking and having the gall to admire a constitution that resulted in pictures above which you deny

I bet everything I own you would have no problem in me posting pictures of The Vietnam War and Napalm explosions in villages showing the real horror of part of what America , and Australia did there

As soon as I show the real horror of Communism you deny it

The real horror in what The US and my country did there pale into comparison compared the the brutality of Communist regimes and Fascist for the matter.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

The past is the past... it's over.

How does that old saying go
"Those that do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it"

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Wrong
They came here poor, fleeing communism

I repeat again, they never lived under real Communism.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

They became, like me, upper middle class and lower wealthy class because they made the system work for them ...... what part of that will you not understand you're assuming they were paid little they earned an average wage, like most, only Dad worked overtime every second Saturday was his own choice, never worked Sunday, Catholic

Aha.... they were religious people. That's maybe why they escaped.

Because we can't escape a country that wants to be more just than injust.
Apart if the Constitution is not respected or if we want (or were used) to take advantage of the society.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Injustice is defending the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot by liking and having the gall to admire a constitution that resulted in pictures above which you deny

That's not my fault if Pol Pot has not respected his Constitution.
But the fact is that the Constitution is nice. Read it.
No more human exploitation.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

How does that old saying go
"Those that do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it"

You didn't understand the old.
The old was saying: "Problems must be improved and corrected... if you don't want to repeat them."

There are problems in Socialism (real Communism never existed) and there are problems in Capitalism.
Problems in Capitalism can't be cured, because it's a fatal cancer.
Problems in Socialism can be cured thanks to efficient controls.

That's all the difference.

[Roubignol]

In fact, why did they call this system "Communism" and not "Fairism" ?
And "Capitalism", "Greedism" or "Unfairism" ?