Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by ********

Oswald do you really need to spam this thread like that?

And is your avatar Kelly-Anne "alternative facts" Conway? A bullshitter so prolific she rivals Trump himself?

Actually I believe that Oswald's avatar is Ms Ann Coulter. She resigned from Attila the Hun's council of advisers because she was concerned about excessive liberal values in the Attila administration, in particular the backsliding on the No Prisoners policy.

[jacques22]

Originally Posted by Oswald

Traitor May (...)
Traitor May (...)
Traitor May (...)

I'm no fan of Theresa May, but I don't like that kind of rhetoric. It echoes the infamous 'stab in the back' accusations made by the nazis in the 20's and 30's (i.e. that Germany lost WW1 because some Germans betrayed their country).

Why is May a traitor? She triggered Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, which means that the UK is leaving the EU. That's Brexit.

I guess some hardliners think a soft Brexit is not a 'true' Brexit. But on the referendum ballot, it was a binary choice: do you want to remain in the EU or leave? There was no mention of any soft Brexit or hard Brexit. There was no mention either of the single market or the customs union. During the campaign, I even remember Leave politicians trying to convince undecided voters by stating that the UK could leave the EU and still have access to the single market and the customs union (which is still possible).

In fact, a hard Brexit would betray the will of the people. The result of the 2016 referendum was 52-48. The Remainers definitely prefer a soft Brexit to a hard one. And among the Leave voters, there's no clear-cut preference for a hard or soft Brexit. Even if we assume a majority of those Leave voters prefer a hard Brexit to a soft one (that is more than half of the 52% who voted for Brexit), we would end up with about 30% of the voters for a hard Brexit and about 70% for a soft Brexit. So who's the traitor?

Originally Posted by Oswald

After extensive and exhaustive research is was discovered that Russian intervention in Brexit was to the value of 72p.

Meanwhile, arch-globalist and anti-Nation billionaire George Soros has blatantly and unashamedly attempted to interfere with the outcome of a democratic election to the tune of £400,000 with another £100,000 available.

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...acy-etheridge/

Only an anti-semitic person or a Trumpist would see a Jewish conspiracy behind the people opposing Brexit. What about the millions of non-Jewish Brits who voted Remain, are they part of that Jewish conspiracy too?

And only a Russian troll or a Trumpist would quote Sputnik News, a Russian mouthpiece.

[vinceprince]

Originally Posted by jacques22

Only an anti-semitic person or a Trumpist would see a Jewish conspiracy behind the people opposing Brexit. What about the millions of non-Jewish Brits who voted Remain, are they part of that Jewish conspiracy too?

And only a Russian troll or a Trumpist would quote Sputnik News, a Russian mouthpiece.

Unfortunately promoting anti-semitic conspiracies theories seems to be more and more common on this forum now.

[Brecht]

Since when does criticism of Soros' global activities equal anti-semitism? I'm not defending the nonsense Oswald seems to believe in but there is a good reason to put Soros under close scrutiny. You want to learn how to screw up a national economy and destabilize a society? Ask Mr. Soros.

[vinceprince]

Originally Posted by Brecht

Since when does criticism of Soros' global activities equal anti-semitism? I'm not defending the nonsense Oswald seems to believe in but there is a good reason to put Soros under close scrutiny. You want to learn how to screw up a national economy and destabilize a society? Ask Mr. Soros.

Has Theresa May also been appointed by Soros to destroy Brexit?

I suppose that would mean there is at least some sort of plan, it's just very well disguised.

All I see is confusion and cock-up not conspiracy.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by ********

And because it's the internet, where every outlandish conspiracy theory is instantly validated by a quick Google search, this is what we get.

Total nonsense, we all know the EU is a Satanic cult but they cannot fool everyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIEUcz7Etng

http://omen.wikia.com/wiki/Holy_Bible

[jacques22]

Originally Posted by Brecht

Since when does criticism of Soros' global activities equal anti-semitism? I'm not defending the nonsense Oswald seems to believe in but there is a good reason to put Soros under close scrutiny. You want to learn how to screw up a national economy and destabilize a society? Ask Mr. Soros.

There were dozens of wealthy businessmen who funded the Leave and Remain campaigns. The whole problem with Oswald's arguments is that he's singling out Soros, claiming that there's a Jewish conspiracy behind May's electoral wins (Tory leadership election and General Election) and behind the Brexit troubles (the only truth is that it could only be very difficult to undo 4 decades of integration in just a couple of years).

If people say businessmen like Soros, W, X, Y, and Z want Brexit to fail because they want more global trade and more profit and don't care about issues like sovereignty and immigration, then I'm fine with that. But when you only mention Soros, it's never innocent. If you still don't see where's the problem, here are a few articles to help you understand:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...h-george-soros
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8201651.html
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...anti-semitism/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.fd6ed97827de

[seany65]

Originally Posted by jacques22

There were dozens of wealthy businessmen who funded the Leave and Remain campaigns. The whole problem with Oswald's arguments is that he's singling out Soros, claiming that there's a Jewish conspiracy behind May's electoral wins (Tory leadership election and General Election) and behind the Brexit troubles (the only truth is that it could only be very difficult to undo 4 decades of integration in just a couple of years).

If people say businessmen like Soros, W, X, Y, and Z want Brexit to fail because they want more global trade and more profit and don't care about issues like sovereignty and immigration, then I'm fine with that. But when you only mention Soros, it's never innocent. If you still don't see where's the problem, here are a few articles to help you understand:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...h-george-soros
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8201651.html
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...anti-semitism/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.fd6ed97827de

Just for the record, if I've mentioned George Soros anywhere on this forum as someone who meddles in the affairs of other countries, it was NOT because He's Jewish, it's because He is someone who meddles in the affairs of other countries.

I've named him, because He's the only one whose name I know.

I've not mentioned that he is apparently on record as admitting to helping to confiscate the property of other Jewish people during the war, and that he didn't find it difficult to do, as it was irrelevant to what I was saying. I only mention it now to counter the arse-licking of George Soros by the people in the above links.

I find it rather disturbing that the articles and people in those links try at all times to link criticism of George Soros with antisemitism, and disturbing that they try at all times to link anyone who does criticise George Soros with being of the far right-wing.

[jacques22]

Originally Posted by seany65

Just for the record, if I've mentioned George Soros anywhere on this forum as someone who meddles in the affairs of other countries, it was NOT because He's Jewish, it's because He is someone who meddles in the affairs of other countries.
I've named him, because He's the only one whose name I know.

I'm assuming you are referring to his donations to the Democratic Party in the U.S. and his recent donation to the 'Best for Britain' group. Soros is an American citizen, so the donations to the Democrats aren't the problem. Now, there are thousands of (British and non-British) people who donate to political organizations in the UK. If you have a problem with foreign donations, you should ask British MPs to pass a law banning foreign donations. And if you have a problem with large donations, you should ask MPs to pass a law limiting donations to a certain amount per person (£100?) to make the playing field more level. But you know what? MPs are unlikely to pass such laws because they are greedy, they like the money wherever it may come from. You should blame British MPs and not Soros for such a political system allowing those donations. Again, scapegoating (blaming the wrong person for a problem) is a basic tool of anti-semitism.

Originally Posted by seany65

I've not mentioned that he is apparently on record as admitting to helping to confiscate the property of other Jewish people during the war, and that he didn't find it difficult to do, as it was irrelevant to what I was saying.

Do you realize the irony of portraying a Jew as a traitor based on hearsay? (Yes, that's how anti-semitism works). Soros was born in 1930, which means that he was pretty much a kid during WW2. You can bet that if he had done anything wrong then, he would have been treated like a war criminal by his own people.

[scoundrel]

Can anyone cite any post by Oswald in which the words "Jewish conspiracy" were mentioned in any context at all? He and I are not on the same page in all sorts of areas, and as I have previously said I rather like George Soros, even if he did support Remain. But people are allowed to criticise George Soros without it having to be an antisemitism thing. He has chosen to participate in the political life of Great Britain and IMHO this means that he is fair game.