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**TheBare** · February 14th, 2015, 11:44 PM

Depends on the person I guess. I myself would feel remorse for taking any life, warranted or not. Some others could care less warranted or not.

**tamsmith** · February 14th, 2015, 11:50 PM

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Depends on the person I guess. I myself would feel remorse for taking any life, warranted or not. Some others would could care less warranted or not.

Please don't think I am being nasty but I cannot believe that someone who is in a job to "Protect" life would worry about protecting life.

**9876543210** · February 15th, 2015, 12:32 AM

DTravel,

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Regarding Fifty Shades of Grey, pre-screening sales of tickets for it have been setting new records. Here in the US the majority of ticket sales have been in...

The Bible Belt, home of the "Moral Majority".

Saw that on the news last night. Interesting. IIRC, Mississippi led the nation in pre-screen sales followed closely by Alabama. One of the local Mississippi "family" organizations was aghast.

Hypocrites. Lots of hypocrites down there.

**9876543210** · February 15th, 2015, 01:02 AM

tamsmith,

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So for our American friends a question?. ( And of course anyone else ). Is this how things are going, in American TV shows (not Movies) so that you justify a gun killing by being devastated by your action??

The John Wayne idea of shoot the baddies and just walk away is long gone??

Can't tell you how things are going on the tube as I virtually never watch fiction. And haven't in years.

But killing something for most people can, eventually, make someone turn a corner of never wanting to do that again. I know it did for me.

I spend a lot of time at a farm about two hours west of where I live. So life and death is something you have to get used to. We've had chickens, turkeys and ducks over the years and, periodically, one will just disappear. Then another. And another.

When that happens you get out the traps and try and catch the perpetrator. This happened a couple of years ago and I caught a fairly large raccoon in a live trap. I called the farm owner and asked what he wanted to do with the coon and he said just shoot him. There was a .22 in one of the barns.

I thought about it for a while. I really felt like putting the trap and coon in the back of the truck and taking it a few miles away and just letting it go. But then remembered I had a bunch of stuff to do so I went and grabbed the .22. Walked up to the coon, it was looking up at me somewhat quizzically, and I pulled the trigger.

I've never felt good about that incident since. And don't want to ever do that again. Not sure why. I've shot a lot of stuff ever since I was a little kid (probably since I was 10 or 12 years old). Maybe it goes back to something Aldo Leopold said a while back:

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Thinking like a Mountain
We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes - something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters' paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain agreed with such a view.…I now suspect that just as a deer herd lives in mortal fear of its wolves, so does a mountain live in mortal fear of its deer. And perhaps with better cause, for while a buck pulled down by wolves can be replaced in two or three years, a range pulled down by too many deer may fail of replacement in as many decades. So also with cows. The cowman who cleans his range of wolves does not realize that he is taking over the wolf's job of trimming the herd to fit the range. He has not learned to think like a mountain. Hence we have dustbowls, and rivers washing the future into the sea.”
― Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac with Other Essays on Conservation from Round River

**SanteeFats** · February 15th, 2015, 01:15 AM

Killing any thing from human to animal can be a very traumatic event to any one. It seems to be only through repetition of the act that a numbness or disassociation occurs. At least in my experience.

**JJ3027** · February 15th, 2015, 04:27 AM

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Do "butt buddies" "squeal like a pig, boy" in the USA? Seems an odd and rather ambiguous expression to me.

Do you have socialists in America? Winston Churchill had a very intelligent mind and was bad at suffering the company of fools. He would not have thought much of most of the Congressmen or Senators on either side in the present Houses. But he was quite familiar with socialists and socialism and I am confident that he would endorse my own assessment: you don;t have one single socialist in national politics in Washingtom, not one single one.

1) Never heard the phrase - butt-buddies but it fits, doesn't it? Sorry... 2) We have socialist and communist wanna-be's. I don't trust either major party.

**Rogerbh** · February 15th, 2015, 08:04 AM

Major police departments have counselors on staff who have the job of ok'ing a police officer who kills in the line of duty - for their return to duty. So I would guess that some police officers are effected by taking a life.

I do remember a HBO show from the 80's where the aftermath of killings were shown. The only story I recall was of one homeowner who killed a burglar with a shotgun - blew the burglar's brain into his heating vent. He said he was surprised that the police did not clean up the corpse, that he had to do it - and though he cleaned every little part of brain and blood fragments that he could find in his heater, every time he started up the heater - the air stank of dead bodies.

I can only guess at what message the producers of that show were trying to send.

**gedly** · February 15th, 2015, 09:51 AM

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1) Never heard the phrase - butt-buddies but it fits, doesn't it? Sorry... 2) We have socialist and communist wanna-be's. I don't trust either major party.

There are certain aspects of the American government that fulfil my definition of socialism. The US government owns companies like the US Mail and Amtrak, officially named the National Passenger Transportation Board. The US government also owns key economic resources, like coal mines and power stations thru bodies like the Bureau of Land Reclamation, who own the Hoover and Grand Coulee Dams, as well as bodies like the Tennessee Valley Authority and Appalachian Mountain Commission. The US government also supports many industries, the old chestnut being the fact that many of the US's major industrial corporations are part of the US military-industrial complex.

**beutelwolf** · February 15th, 2015, 10:33 AM

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There are certain aspects of the American government that fulfil my definition of socialism. The US government owns companies like the US Mail and Amtrak, ...

Socialism does not come in aspects. It is a system of state ownership (or workers-ownership etc.) of all means of production, not just with a few state-subsidised suppliers of the infra-structure.

What do you want? Privatise the US army? Everyone can hire it for a fee, to nuke the hell out of anyone they don't like the look of?

We do have countries in the world with that level of privatisation, like Somalia - places run by warlords.

**Wendigo** · February 15th, 2015, 12:48 PM

Copenhagen shootings: Police kill 'gunman' after two attacks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31475803

"It came after one person was killed and three police officers injured at a free speech debate in a cafe on Saturday.

In the second attack, a Jewish man was killed and two police officers wounded near the city's main synagogue."

Thankfully this particular pathetic sorry bastard is dead but no doubt we are in for more of these almost random events .

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February 15th, 2015, 01:15 AM	#20595
SanteeFats Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Santee, Ca Posts: 60,813 Thanks: 281,805 Thanked 813,771 Times in 60,861 Posts	Killing any thing from human to animal can be a very traumatic event to any one. It seems to be only through repetition of the act that a numbness or disassociation occurs. At least in my experience.

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Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,900 Thanks: 50,520 Thanked 91,161 Times in 10,748 Posts	Major police departments have counselors on staff who have the job of ok'ing a police officer who kills in the line of duty - for their return to duty. So I would guess that some police officers are effected by taking a life. I do remember a HBO show from the 80's where the aftermath of killings were shown. The only story I recall was of one homeowner who killed a burglar with a shotgun - blew the burglar's brain into his heating vent. He said he was surprised that the police did not clean up the corpse, that he had to do it - and though he cleaned every little part of brain and blood fragments that he could find in his heater, every time he started up the heater - the air stank of dead bodies. I can only guess at what message the producers of that show were trying to send.