Why do you like vintage? - Page 38

ynnhoj · October 22nd, 2019, 07:25 PM

Vintage it's like listening to classic rock.

**muggly** · October 23rd, 2019, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sdsioux

I think part of the process was buying the film. Going down to the sleazy part of town and looking through the empty boxes and film magazines to pick out the titles.
There was something about setting up the projector, the smell of it and the threading of the film, the clicking of the film in the projector. The cleaning of the hair off the aperture plate to get a clear picture.

Mentioning films and projectors, back in my school days as a prefect, myself and the head boy were given the task of looking after the "language lab" and other technical equipment. That meant the main projectors and slide projectors that were used for the obligatory Christmas film but also the health and hygiene films that were shown to an exclusive audience of 12 and 13 year old girls. This was mainly an educational aid to prepare them for adolescence and usually as soon as the film was loaded and the projector ready to go we were asked to leave the room by the female staff. One time they forgot to escort us out of the room till after the first 10 minutes of the film. It was interesting to see teen on film (over 18) demonstrating how to sit without showing their knickers, how to keep their underarms clean without smelling of sweat, and also about the appearance of pubic hair. Just as we were watching a nicely shaped pubic rug with prominent labia there was a sudden "howl and bellow" from the deputy head mistress as she realised my mate and I were standing with open mouths watching the film at the back of the hall. Two female staff ushered us out just as the subject of sanitary products were being shown. This was in 1974 and even now I would like to see the complete film as all the actresses were more like 19 or older so boobs and fannys were well worth seeing.

delane · October 23rd, 2019, 09:16 AM

The Taboo nature was always the thrill rather than a simple click on the keyboard. As for the content , it seemed back in the day that the actors seemed to be actually enjoying sex as opposed to today where its a tattooed siliconed rapey gape fest.

scottx · October 28th, 2019, 04:48 PM

My mom having been a Playmate, It's sorta taboo and a thrill seeing how it was in the time before I was born.

hobnoblin · November 4th, 2019, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scottx

My mom having been a Playmate, It's sorta taboo and a thrill seeing how it was in the time before I was born.

Please share some photos. I'm sure we'd all share that thrill too

therx9x · November 4th, 2019, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hobnoblin

Please share some photos. I'm sure we'd all share that thrill too

Or just a name would do. Dude... you just asked someone to post nude pics of his/her MOM! Doubt that's gonna happen but maybe just a name.... ?

**Pinkpapercut** · November 7th, 2019, 08:58 AM

Taking this thread slightly off-topic I largely prefer porn, particularly softcore, from the years when I was a teenager and a young man, roughly 1973 to 199,3 stuff that comes within the VEF definition of 'vintage'. BUT... From early on in my porn-using I developed a taste for what might be called 'deep vintage' or even antique porn.

This started with photos of what was at the time relatively recent stuff, cheesecake photographs of UK models from the late 50s and early 60s like June Palmer and photographers like Harrison Marks, photographs that were being published uncensored for the first time in the likes of 'Fiesta'.

I found it a great turn on to see women of the generation of my older cousins and my mum's younger friends not just naked but showing their - usually - shaven clefts.

I had membership of a large University Library at the time that also servied a large art school and that gave me access to quite a few volumes of collected photograohic erotica from the earlier part of the 20th century and even before. Some of this was as explicit as anything you would find here on VEF, albeit usually in black and white and often grainy. I got a huge thrill from looking at and wanking over images of women from the 40's, 30's, 20's and back through Edwardian and late Victorian times photographed spreading their legs and offering their vaginas etc and often taking a shagging etc wearing the clothes of the time.

Over the years I've tried to think of the reason why I find this sort of 'deep vintage' a big turn on and the closest I've I've been able to come to a reason that satisfies me is that that the women in the photographs were living in a time that that was much more prim and proper particularly about women's sexuality and women showing their genitals and breasts, never mind being photographed having sex, so knowing that, seeing them spreading their legs in explicit detail or having sex while wearing the clothes of the time emphasises the naughtiness, the 'filthiness', the forbidden and transgessive nature of what they were doing. Sort of like some men get a transgressive thrill from seeing porn models dressed as nuns or wearing schoolgirl uniforms.

Then, as in porn now, the girls in these deep vintage photos wouldn't have been the shy, demure, uptight young women of the day, back then many if not most of them would have been prostitutes.

Porn then as now was largely a matter of illusion.

Anybody else here have a taste for this kind of 'deep vintage' and antique porn and if so, what's the appeal of it to you?

I'll link to one of my own old posts elsewhere at VEF as a placeholder for illustrative photographs and replace it with better and more representative images later:

**BuschiMuschi** · March 17th, 2020, 10:55 AM

When you look at CCC girls like Tove, Christa or Hanne, they looked like girls you might meet on the street. They looked and acted natural, and when they were being done, you got the impression they really enjoyed it - and yes, I am aware they were acting. They were desireable and seemd to be really available - not some hairless, sculpted apes putting on a show.

bebel22 · March 18th, 2020, 11:53 AM

I will try to not only repeat what others have already written, or in a slightly different way. Please bear with the fact that I am not an English speaker.

For me, vintage movies permitted actresses to incarnate real women, with a personality and an intellect, including in sex, with desires, preferences, skills and limits in what they accepted. For me, there is a very consistent personna I can associate to Annette Haven, Veronica Hart, Marilyn Jess or Cathy Menard. This permits to fantasize about meeting them in real life. This makes them real.

In modern porn, bar a few productions and a few actresses who manage to transcend formats (e.g. India Summer) or to impose their own desires, preferences and rules (e.g. Stoya, Claire Castel), actresses are usually reduced to bodies and fuck toys for mysoginistic men. I consider Anissa Kate a stunningly beautiful woman, with brains and a possibly interesting personality, but she is clearly in porn for money, and little if anything of who she really is visible in her videos. Even if I restrict a fantasy encounter to sex, I don't know what in a bed would be desired or would make her ask for money. Vintage porn was not real, but it gave an image of reality and definitely included some. When there was the traditional orgy at the end of French movies, it is clear that the food, the alcohol, the dancing and the laughs were real. These people were completing yet another movie and they celebrated it before, after and certainly during the sex.

To illustrate a difference I see between vintage and modern porn, I will take Katsumi and Tiffany Hopkins. In France, they performed in several Blue One movies. Blue One was the reborn Alpha France, with the same producer, Francis Mischkind. Therefore, Blue One movies shared similarities with the older movies: scenarios, skilled directors, humor and playfulness. In these movies, Katsumi and Tiffany were beautiful, natural and fun. Then they went to the US, where it was not so common to have natural beauties having no problem with anal, DP and huge dicks in all orifices while seemingly enjoying it (I am pretty sure that Tiffany at least really did).

First problem, moving from full length movies to sex videos with only an interview before the real stuff. Little remains of the incarnation of a real woman.

Second issue, the look. Take Tiffany, if you find her pretty in an American video, she is 10 times better looking in a French one, non sex scenes also showing how charming and fun she was. In French movies she looks like a fresh and natural babe, not a whore. At least for her, you can still see part of her fun temper in her American videos while Katsumi rapidly became a seasoned professional having lost most of the freshness she exhibited in her early movies. She even had implants, even though they remained very reasonable.

In the old time, some actresses were very good at blowjobs and most really enjoyed it (e.g. C. J. Laing, Marilyn Jess, Barbara Moose). Today, it is hard to tell. First, you have to let them blow, not fuck their mouth. Second, you need them not to do it as it is expected today, with the spitting, the deep throating, the gagging, the noises and saliva everywhere.

If actresses changed from women having sex to abused women and/or pure performers (it is rare to see a solo or lesbian scene that is more than a show for the hetero male viewer - at least I know how Annette Haven used to masturbate and I know Sharon Mitchell did enjoy women), this is even worse for male actors. Vintage porn at least permitted an inexperienced teenager to understand that it was normal to come thanks to the woman you are having sex with, not by jerking off after 30 minutes of intense and abusive fucking. What I particularly like in sex is the loss of control, moments when the woman gets crazy and when she eventually "wins over" her partner. This nearly never happens anymore in porn.

I would tend to think that an underestimated factor in the evolution of porn towards violence and abuse is the fall of communism and the economic jungle this created in Central and Eastern Europe countries, where the society was divided in two: a few rich, extremely wealthy people, and the vast majority of poor, usually very poor people. Starting in the early 90s, porn was invaded by young and beautiful Eastern European women, in desperate need for money. Imagine you are a western European nice looking woman who would like to make money in porn. How to compete with women who could as well be models and accept anal and DPs for less than what you would expect for more normal practices? I think this is why, since the 90s, maybe only a handful of European actresses managed to make a career without anal. Top of my head, I can think of Ovidie, who had one very short and gentle try at anal and not a single facial. Incidently, she is a pro sex feminist militant with university diplomas in psychology. Recently, she wrote a book about the dangers of what porn has become.

Doytal · April 7th, 2020, 08:18 PM

One of the big things I like about vintage porn is, as stated many times, the "real" people involved. That's why for modern porn I like homemade stuff shot in homes around the world. Real women with real bodies, stretch marks and all. Also, since one of my fetishes is impregnation, I really like the fantasy that vintage porn offers inasmuch as the people involved probably had no real birth control. If there's no condom visible than there's a good chance that cock in the pussy is dripping pre-cum and then shooting semen directly on an unprotected cervix. That's probably why creampie shots are relatively rare in antique porn. But you can definitely see an expanding uterus in some of the old porn. It's not just belly fat, the filling womb just makes a belly look different than fat.

November 7th, 2019, 08:58 AM	#377
Pinkpapercut Rust Never Sleeps Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North of the Channel, west of the hills, south of the mountains Posts: 984 Thanks: 31,846 Thanked 20,518 Times in 986 Posts	Deep Vintage Taking this thread slightly off-topic I largely prefer porn, particularly softcore, from the years when I was a teenager and a young man, roughly 1973 to 199,3 stuff that comes within the VEF definition of 'vintage'. BUT... From early on in my porn-using I developed a taste for what might be called 'deep vintage' or even antique porn. This started with photos of what was at the time relatively recent stuff, cheesecake photographs of UK models from the late 50s and early 60s like June Palmer and photographers like Harrison Marks, photographs that were being published uncensored for the first time in the likes of 'Fiesta'. I found it a great turn on to see women of the generation of my older cousins and my mum's younger friends not just naked but showing their - usually - shaven clefts. I had membership of a large University Library at the time that also servied a large art school and that gave me access to quite a few volumes of collected photograohic erotica from the earlier part of the 20th century and even before. Some of this was as explicit as anything you would find here on VEF, albeit usually in black and white and often grainy. I got a huge thrill from looking at and wanking over images of women from the 40's, 30's, 20's and back through Edwardian and late Victorian times photographed spreading their legs and offering their vaginas etc and often taking a shagging etc wearing the clothes of the time. Over the years I've tried to think of the reason why I find this sort of 'deep vintage' a big turn on and the closest I've I've been able to come to a reason that satisfies me is that that the women in the photographs were living in a time that that was much more prim and proper particularly about women's sexuality and women showing their genitals and breasts, never mind being photographed having sex, so knowing that, seeing them spreading their legs in explicit detail or having sex while wearing the clothes of the time emphasises the naughtiness, the 'filthiness', the forbidden and transgessive nature of what they were doing. Sort of like some men get a transgressive thrill from seeing porn models dressed as nuns or wearing schoolgirl uniforms. Then, as in porn now, the girls in these deep vintage photos wouldn't have been the shy, demure, uptight young women of the day, back then many if not most of them would have been prostitutes. Porn then as now was largely a matter of illusion. Anybody else here have a taste for this kind of 'deep vintage' and antique porn and if so, what's the appeal of it to you? I'll link to one of my own old posts elsewhere at VEF as a placeholder for illustrative photographs and replace it with better and more representative images later: __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. That's To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 's bottom and I'd love it for a pillow Last edited by Pinkpapercut; October 12th, 2020 at 06:14 PM.. Reason: Corrected stray code

March 17th, 2020, 10:55 AM	#378
BuschiMuschi Vintage Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 896 Thanks: 4,128 Thanked 11,450 Times in 881 Posts	Real and available When you look at CCC girls like Tove, Christa or Hanne, they looked like girls you might meet on the street. They looked and acted natural, and when they were being done, you got the impression they really enjoyed it - and yes, I am aware they were acting. They were desireable and seemd to be really available - not some hairless, sculpted apes putting on a show.

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October 22nd, 2019, 07:25 PM	#371
ynnhoj Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: usa Posts: 67 Thanks: 78 Thanked 314 Times in 46 Posts	Vintage it's like listening to classic rock.

October 23rd, 2019, 09:16 AM	#373
delane Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South West UK Posts: 51 Thanks: 511 Thanked 392 Times in 51 Posts	The Taboo nature was always the thrill rather than a simple click on the keyboard. As for the content , it seemed back in the day that the actors seemed to be actually enjoying sex as opposed to today where its a tattooed siliconed rapey gape fest.

October 28th, 2019, 04:48 PM	#374
scottx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Jersey USA... gotta a problem wit dat? Posts: 172 Thanks: 708 Thanked 1,876 Times in 165 Posts	My mom having been a Playmate, It's sorta taboo and a thrill seeing how it was in the time before I was born.

March 18th, 2020, 11:53 AM	#379
bebel22 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 11 Thanks: 7 Thanked 136 Times in 11 Posts	I will try to not only repeat what others have already written, or in a slightly different way. Please bear with the fact that I am not an English speaker. For me, vintage movies permitted actresses to incarnate real women, with a personality and an intellect, including in sex, with desires, preferences, skills and limits in what they accepted. For me, there is a very consistent personna I can associate to Annette Haven, Veronica Hart, Marilyn Jess or Cathy Menard. This permits to fantasize about meeting them in real life. This makes them real. In modern porn, bar a few productions and a few actresses who manage to transcend formats (e.g. India Summer) or to impose their own desires, preferences and rules (e.g. Stoya, Claire Castel), actresses are usually reduced to bodies and fuck toys for mysoginistic men. I consider Anissa Kate a stunningly beautiful woman, with brains and a possibly interesting personality, but she is clearly in porn for money, and little if anything of who she really is visible in her videos. Even if I restrict a fantasy encounter to sex, I don't know what in a bed would be desired or would make her ask for money. Vintage porn was not real, but it gave an image of reality and definitely included some. When there was the traditional orgy at the end of French movies, it is clear that the food, the alcohol, the dancing and the laughs were real. These people were completing yet another movie and they celebrated it before, after and certainly during the sex. To illustrate a difference I see between vintage and modern porn, I will take Katsumi and Tiffany Hopkins. In France, they performed in several Blue One movies. Blue One was the reborn Alpha France, with the same producer, Francis Mischkind. Therefore, Blue One movies shared similarities with the older movies: scenarios, skilled directors, humor and playfulness. In these movies, Katsumi and Tiffany were beautiful, natural and fun. Then they went to the US, where it was not so common to have natural beauties having no problem with anal, DP and huge dicks in all orifices while seemingly enjoying it (I am pretty sure that Tiffany at least really did). First problem, moving from full length movies to sex videos with only an interview before the real stuff. Little remains of the incarnation of a real woman. Second issue, the look. Take Tiffany, if you find her pretty in an American video, she is 10 times better looking in a French one, non sex scenes also showing how charming and fun she was. In French movies she looks like a fresh and natural babe, not a whore. At least for her, you can still see part of her fun temper in her American videos while Katsumi rapidly became a seasoned professional having lost most of the freshness she exhibited in her early movies. She even had implants, even though they remained very reasonable. In the old time, some actresses were very good at blowjobs and most really enjoyed it (e.g. C. J. Laing, Marilyn Jess, Barbara Moose). Today, it is hard to tell. First, you have to let them blow, not fuck their mouth. Second, you need them not to do it as it is expected today, with the spitting, the deep throating, the gagging, the noises and saliva everywhere. If actresses changed from women having sex to abused women and/or pure performers (it is rare to see a solo or lesbian scene that is more than a show for the hetero male viewer - at least I know how Annette Haven used to masturbate and I know Sharon Mitchell did enjoy women), this is even worse for male actors. Vintage porn at least permitted an inexperienced teenager to understand that it was normal to come thanks to the woman you are having sex with, not by jerking off after 30 minutes of intense and abusive fucking. What I particularly like in sex is the loss of control, moments when the woman gets crazy and when she eventually "wins over" her partner. This nearly never happens anymore in porn. I would tend to think that an underestimated factor in the evolution of porn towards violence and abuse is the fall of communism and the economic jungle this created in Central and Eastern Europe countries, where the society was divided in two: a few rich, extremely wealthy people, and the vast majority of poor, usually very poor people. Starting in the early 90s, porn was invaded by young and beautiful Eastern European women, in desperate need for money. Imagine you are a western European nice looking woman who would like to make money in porn. How to compete with women who could as well be models and accept anal and DPs for less than what you would expect for more normal practices? I think this is why, since the 90s, maybe only a handful of European actresses managed to make a career without anal. Top of my head, I can think of Ovidie, who had one very short and gentle try at anal and not a single facial. Incidently, she is a pro sex feminist militant with university diplomas in psychology. Recently, she wrote a book about the dangers of what porn has become.

April 7th, 2020, 08:18 PM	#380
Doytal Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 31 Times in 3 Posts	One of the big things I like about vintage porn is, as stated many times, the "real" people involved. That's why for modern porn I like homemade stuff shot in homes around the world. Real women with real bodies, stretch marks and all. Also, since one of my fetishes is impregnation, I really like the fantasy that vintage porn offers inasmuch as the people involved probably had no real birth control. If there's no condom visible than there's a good chance that cock in the pussy is dripping pre-cum and then shooting semen directly on an unprotected cervix. That's probably why creampie shots are relatively rare in antique porn. But you can definitely see an expanding uterus in some of the old porn. It's not just belly fat, the filling womb just makes a belly look different than fat.