Current or modern politics in the United States

[9876543210]

palo5,

Originally Posted by palo5

Republicans weren't always like they seem today. As scoundrel says, Eisenhower was a Republican, and he understood much more than many (especially in the military). And he was ... imho ... wiser than most

Granted, the Republicans aren't the same party as they were in the 50's. Not even close. Today I think they'd probably be closer to the John Birch Society or the Italian Fascists of the 30's.

Eisenhower was probably the last good Republican. An amazing thing to say but I'd probably still vote for him. Believe it or not, there are people today in their 70's, 80's or older that believe the Republicans are the same party as then. Low info voters that just vote the way they always have.

I see the Republican downturn with Reagan, even though they thought it was an upturn (and still do). Their morals were corrupted

No, I agree with Scounds that the real turning point was Nixon. Tricky Dick did do a few good things but they are far overshadowed by Watergate. To this day the Republicans are still hot over that. They still want to impeach any Democrat they can for the stupidest things any chance they get. I mean really; impeaching Clinton for lying about a blowjob? Would any of us want to go home to our wives after such a revelation? Especially if that wife was Hillary?

I'm beginning to think Republicans are too far gone and will go the way of the Whigs. Irrelevant.

[9876543210]

qwerty007,

Originally Posted by qwerty007

I think that considering the continuing war on women, the Dems are a shoo-in with Hilary. The GOP is alienating segments of the market faster than we can imagine. Big problem with Hilary, is that it's over 50% of the population.

Agreed. I think its going to be Hillary and the continuing GOP war on women is going to get them smoked again. And they still won't understand what happened to them.

Christy is the only Republican that "may" give any Democrat a race but I don't think he'll get the nomination.

What happened to Bobby Jindal? He was being touted as a rising star in the GOP?

Not radical enough. Every once in a while he actually says something that makes sense. So he won't get the nomination.

After the last two terms of Dubya, I'm not too sure that the Repubs could put Jeb forward - I don't think history will be too kind to his brother's administration and the stigma might be too much.

I bet Jeb will run. Almost guarantee it. But he probably won't win as the family baggage is too heavy.

Is there any chance that Romney runs again? How about Gingrich?

It wouldn't surprise me to see Romney run again but not Gingrich. I think his billionaire will be funding somebody else.

[dethtongue]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

qwerty007,



Agreed. I think its going to be Hillary and the continuing GOP war on women is going to get them smoked again. And they still won't understand what happened to them.

Christy is the only Republican that "may" give any Democrat a race but I don't think he'll get the nomination.



Not radical enough. Every once in a while he actually says something that makes sense. So he won't get the nomination.



I bet Jeb will run. Almost guarantee it. But he probably won't win as the family baggage is too heavy.



It wouldn't surprise me to see Romney run again but not Gingrich. I think his billionaire will be funding somebody else.

Going to have to disagree with this in theory some. The Republicans would get ALOT more women voters if they didn't routinely pander to the extreme right wing of the party and say dumb shit on the record for a camera. Maybe I'm a little chauvinistic or cynical but women tend to respond favorably to a decisive, financially successful male- which is a stereotype that the republicans tend to actually be pretty good with. Again...its just all the dumb assed sound bites they make that tend to alienate a lot of female voters.

There is also a news item now buried somewhere in MSN about possible republican contenders for 2016 and its probably not a coincidence that a clear majority of them are not "white bread old guys." I think they're finally starting to wake up to the fact that they need to reinvent themselves some and seem to be taking genuine steps to do so. Be interesting to see what happens next. If nothing else listening to the Republican Convention and debates is always good for a laugh. If it isn't this time around liberals and democrats may have cause to be worried.

[DTravel]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

From what I can tell the Republicans have learned nothing from their last defeat.

They definitely haven't. In addition to not trying to use or even understand the social networking systems, they're still talking about how they can win the next election by winning the white vote. This after Caucasians have stopped being the majority in the US.

They not only don't get it, they actively don't want to. They are rapidly becoming the party that wants to turn back the clock to the Good Christian 1950s.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by dethtongue

Going to have to disagree with this in theory some. The Republicans would get ALOT more women voters if they didn't routinely pander to the extreme right wing of the party and say dumb shit on the record for a camera. Maybe I'm a little chauvinistic or cynical but women tend to respond favorably to a decisive, financially successful male- which is a stereotype that the republicans tend to actually be pretty good with. Again...its just all the dumb assed sound bites they make that tend to alienate a lot of female voters.

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That would be definitely different here!
Woman will get on the barricades here because of such a bullshit. And they would be supported by men (in this case a fully support by me too).

Abortion: In Germany it's already so since 1995 it has to be backed by the insurances; in Austria an Swiss too, in France it will become backed by the insurances soon. Belgium Netherlands, England and North Europe are historically more liberal in this; in Spain it's backed by law since 2010.

At the begin of 2013 two (Catholic-) Cologne Hospitals denied a treatment of rape victims. Against the law; it will have consequences at the court. Citizens & Politicians where upset because of it, afterwards there were a lot of people, leaving the Catholic church as a consequence.

In some historically Catholic dominated Countries like Ireland, Italy Poland it's illegal. But Poland got a sentence of the European Court of Human Rights to pay a victim a highly (in comparison to the average income) compensation.

Hungary is a special case: at Jan. 1. 2012 they got a new Constitution by that (fascistic, IMHO) Government they got since 2010. Europe will be well advised, to keep a very close eye on the development of that country and if it is compatible with the goals of the EU. I think it is not (!!), making a strong note at this place.
The abortion in Hungary is de-facto forbidden now.

Hungary was once a precursor of the liberation from the Warsaw Pact; very sad the ongoings there.

[9876543210]

dethtongue,

Originally Posted by dethtongue

Going to have to disagree with this in theory some. The Republicans would get ALOT more women voters if they didn't routinely pander to the extreme right wing of the party and say dumb shit on the record for a camera.

Well, of course. But, even after the election, even in their "contemplative" phase, they continue to pander to the extreme right and enact laws that only help the rich. And hurt women. They could do a lot of things to attract women and minorities but, from what I see, they're doing the opposite. Just "another" example; why in the world did virtually no Republican male vote for the Violence Against Women Act? They want to help women? Thats not the way to do it.

Maybe I'm a little chauvinistic or cynical but women tend to respond favorably to a decisive, financially successful male- which is a stereotype that the republicans tend to actually be pretty good with. Again...its just all the dumb assed sound bites they make that tend to alienate a lot of female voters.

Stereotypes can be broken. I don't think the turtle fits that stereotype and it looks like he's about to go up against Ashley Judd. A gorgeous, smart, U of Kentucky grad and supporter who's family is practically Kentucky royalty. McConnell has done almost nothing for women or minorities so it will be interesting to see who women vote for if she runs. He must be really worried about her as he apparently just released another ad against Ashley.

[9876543210]

DTravel,

Originally Posted by DTravel

They definitely haven't. In addition to not trying to use or even understand the social networking systems, they're still talking about how they can win the next election by winning the white vote. This after Caucasians have stopped being the majority in the US.

They not only don't get it, they actively don't want to. They are rapidly becoming the party that wants to turn back the clock to the Good Christian 1950s.

Here, here (is that the correct spelling?)! Couldn't have said it better.

I hear a few of them trying to talk a good game but their actions betray them.

[dethtongue]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

DTravel,



Here, here (is that the correct spelling?)! Couldn't have said it better.

I hear a few of them trying to talk a good game but their actions betray them.

Maybe. I see a big power struggle going on in the party. The old guard white bread gentleman's club and the younger turks. At the least I think the younger ranks are starting to figure out if you pander to an extremist fringe you lose most of the middle. Weather they can find a coherent message and then find someone with enough charisma to deliver that message remains to be seen.

[9876543210]

dethtongue,

Originally Posted by dethtongue

Maybe. I see a big power struggle going on in the party. The old guard white bread gentleman's club and the younger turks. At the least I think the younger ranks are starting to figure out if you pander to an extremist fringe you lose most of the middle. Weather they can find a coherent message and then find someone with enough charisma to deliver that message remains to be seen.

I'm not so sure about the "big power struggle" going on with the Republicans. The extreme right wing is clearly visible and identifiable. But where's the other side? Who's on it? There was a time when I'd say McCain (at least) but he's moved so far to the right just to stay elected. Lindsey Graham? Same as McCain. Chris Christy? I applaud and respect him for doing what was necessary for his state after Sandy and for calling out the rest of the GOP for their stupidity and hypocrisy. But I don't think I'd ever vote for him. Most of the rest of his views are still too right wing.

Any other "moderate" Republicans have pretty much retired over the last few years citing the problems in their party. We have maybe one "moderate" Republican in our State legislature remaining but he's pretty much "persona non grata" by the rest of the Republicans because he thought Scotty Walker went too far.

So where is the other part of the "big power struggle". Blue dog democrats? The "middle" of the party seems to be almost non-existent.

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There shouldn't be a law giving Mothers the right to breast feed their babies in public! Why do people get so offended when they see a Mother breast feeding? Is it because they see a Nipple? Considering the little amount of fabric women of all ages are wearing at the swimming pool and on the beach; that's the only explanation I have for people not wanting to see a woman breast feed in public. After all, some of the swimsuits nowadays pretty much leaves the entire breast uncovered except for the nipple area. I bet these same men who don't want to see a woman breast feed in public have ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION WHATSOEVER to seeing a woman topless in public!!

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