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Old 12-19-2009, 01:28 AM   #71
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Hoping to avoid flames here, but if you read the motions for secession and the speeches made to pass them, they all almost universally say that the issue of slavery is the reason. Any mention of "States Rights" was in the form of "the State's Right to keep slaves".

(My apologies to the staff if that was too political.)
It's consistent with what little I know (mainly from a biography of President Lincoln called Lincoln The Unknown). The history of the CSA obviously has a bearing on the discussion. Originalsman's point is addressed, and with reasonable politeness as is only right. But let's be mindful of the emotiveness of this subject.
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:00 AM   #72
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Ah, the great "Soda-Pop-Coke" debate! From what I've always been told, it's a regionality issue. What you call it more or less depends on where you're from. Here's a terrific map that was done a couple years ago:

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...pvssodamap.gif

Sorry I couldn't post it here, it needs to be viewed full-screen to read the details.

Great thread, Gentleman. Thanks for allowing me in!
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Though I'm not from the States, I have spent some time there, and in the southern states, so I know the confederate flag also quite well.
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Thanks koo for your truthful information. As a southerner (not a racist as is too commonly perceived ) I both love that flag and acknowledge its bad side as far as being used by anti-black groups. There are two sides to this story that maybe only southerners and well traveled people get. For me, the freedom of speech issue weighs in heavily.
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Spooonfed - Sorry, no offence was intended. It's what's used in the UK.
No offense taken. As I said, I've lived in Germany for 15 years, so I'm familiar with a lot of British expressions since British English is officially taught in schools and I earn a lot of side money giving help to school kids having trouble with English. (School kids = "pupils". Right? Americans call everyone at every level of schooling a "student".)

The American "you're fired!" is also brutal, I suppose; but it leaves a lot to question. Perhaps you did something wrong, perhaps you didn't fit in, perhaps your performance was poor...whatever. Being "made redundant", on the other hand, sounds like "we don't need you anymore because we have this little tiny mechanism which can do the job just as well as you...you are now unnecessary, superfluous, worthless, a widget to us. Please go away now. Have a nice day."

But these are simple cross-cultural differences. You know, the old "separated by a common language" bit.

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The American "you're fired!" is also brutal, I suppose; but it leaves a lot to question. Perhaps you did something wrong, perhaps you didn't fit in, perhaps your performance was poor...whatever. Being "made redundant", on the other hand, sounds like "we don't need you anymore because we have this little tiny mechanism which can do the job just as well as you...you are now unnecessary, superfluous, worthless, a widget to us. Please go away now. Have a nice day."
Much of the brusqueness of terminations in the US comes from fear of litigation. If they give you some specific reason and it isn't an ironclad, absolutely no question, defensible reason for firing you, the company could easily get slapped with a Wrongful Termination lawsuit. (Many times even if it is an ironclad, absolutely no question, defensible reason they may still get sued.) So unless you are in a union or are high enough up as an exec to get an actual employment contract, in the US you are almost certainly what is called an "at will" employee. Meaning that either you or the company can end your employment at will, for no reason at all. (And the company still might get sued for Wrongful Termination!) So their best defense is to give you no reason at all. ("Why did they fire you?" "I don't know, they didn't say!" "So how do you know it wasn't a valid reason?")

Yes, it only makes sense to a lawyer with his/her brain twisted thru five dimensions but that's where we are.
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There was a Michael Douglas film where he got made redundant, didn't tell anyone, and cracked-up under the strain and ran amok with gun etc. He got a canof Coke out of a fridge in a shop, and he too called it a can of soda. I thought it could have been something to do with not wanting to promote Coke, but in light of GS's question perhaps there's more?
Here in the South it is especially prevalent to hear someone order a "cola or "soda" by saying "Coke" (I've half-jokingly said that the mark of true Southerner is when somebody asks you for a "coke", and you know whether they mean Coke or Pepsi).

Or make that "was" -- thanks to Pepsi's marketing, the rise of product placement, and Movies & TV insisting on "cola" or "soda" (so as not to give Coke free publicity), this usage seems to be slowly dying out.

Thanks to WW2, Coke became something of a national obsession in the US as the company supplied millions of GIs with the stuff. There are probably dozens of WW2 movies through the 60s where a GI drinks or orders a "coke".

As Pepsi grew in the marketplace (and became shrewder in the ways of marketing) this practice of hearing somebody casually order "Coke" onscreen slowly petered out by the 70s, and with the rise of product placement in the 80s it had essentially died out completely.

Another Southern tradition gone with the wind...
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Getting back to the original question of bus admission in American tv/movies....American drivers do they always leave their cars unlocked or as nearly always shown with their windows rolled down?
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Getting back to the original question of bus admission in American tv/movies....American drivers do they always leave their cars unlocked or as nearly always shown with their windows rolled down?
One thing we should learn from this thread is not to believe everything we see in movies. Just because the tough gut detective gets out of his car without locking it doesn't mean people do that in real life.
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One thing we should learn from this thread is not to believe everything we see in movies. Just because the tough gut detective gets out of his car without locking it doesn't mean people do that in real life.
Well, ..actually, Nick, in and around Moultrie, Georgia, I do leave the truck unlocked and the windows opened. Of course it may depend on what part of town you're in, but usually, nobody f**ks with my truck. As a matter of fact, when I go to some places, like the liquor store, I leave the key in it too. And like I said before, I even leave the front door of my house unlocked all day and night. (Of course, I have four Labs in there that would eat your legs off if you ever tried to come in).
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Well, ..actually, Nick, in and around Moultrie, Georgia, I do leave the truck unlocked and the windows opened. Of course it may depend on what part of town you're in, but usually, nobody f**ks with my truck. As a matter of fact, when I go to some places, like the liquor store, I leave the key in it too. And like I said before, I even leave the front door of my house unlocked all day and night. (Of course, I have four Labs in there that would eat your legs off if you ever tried to come in).
That's all very well and you can do that round here BUT if anyone steals the car when you've left the key in it the insurers will walk away from any claim .It happens a bit during cold weather, I've just had an e mail about it from the Neighbourhood Watch that some cars have been stolen while left with their engines running to defrost the windows/
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