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Old 10-20-2017, 12:12 PM   #4241
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Camels originated in North America, but weren't useful as beasts of burden until landing elsewhere on other continents..Australians wanted the camels a few decades ago, i think they are nuisances there now. Out there in the tarpits in Los Angeles there are interesting prehistoric fossils preserved by that muck..
Also I think there's more camels in Australia nowdays then in Saudi Arabia (or something like that).
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Americans love horses, we're told. But we loved them many years before you

Can they accept this in their culture?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KbT-iA5768

i learned how to ride a saddle horse before a bicycle ... grandpa had the dairy farm ... giles had the pulling horses for his hobby ... i had a ponies and midsize riding horses.. these images of what giles loved for a hobby ... i found it boring and dangerous you could lose a finger if you didn't move fast enough at a horse pulling contest ... where did the native americans get their horses ? horses are a american icon


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Americans love horses, we're told. But we loved them many years before you

Can they accept this in their culture?
Sure, why not?

One of the interesting things about American history is how quickly native Americans adopted the horse. Up until the Spanish arrived there hadn't been horses in North America for thousands of years; indigenous people used dogs to pull sleds.

The Spanish come and horses get loose and start breeding wild on the plains, and the native tribes very quickly take them up and become horse people, dramatically changing their way of life. They also start breeding horses themselves -- paints and cayuse ponies for example.

What's always surprised me is how fast this happened-- in one generation more or less, people who'd never seen a horse became as devoted to the horse as Cossacks or Tatars. In many cases, the Western tribes who we think of as great horsemen had only had horses for a few decades when Europeans first contacted them.

Here's a map, showing the dates of arrival of horses to various Western tribes, all of whom would be known not long after as superb riders.
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"Pulling horse" competions don't look to be too much fun for the horses...
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"Pulling horse" competions don't look to be too much fun for the horses...
That's always the same annoying problem.

The abusers speak instead of their slaves or their victims and vicious politicians do nothing because they are afraid not to be reelected by the muck of the humanity.
Abused people can speak and still are afraid to speak. Doesn't it describe how insane is built the structure of our society? But imagine an animal, he (or she) doesn't speak. That's the door opened of all the silly and depraved shows and behaviours.
Treat 30 seconds an abuser like his (her) victim (even his animal victim), you will immediatly go to jail. Immediatly.
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How do you feel about living in a country where children can and do get legally married off to older men at ages as low as 11 in many states to reflect 'Christian customs'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html

Strangely resembling many 'backward' Islamic countries or even ISIS. Is this part of the traditions of Christian America that needs to be preserved. I'm sure the husbands' intentions are as honourable as the Prophet Mohammads'.

At the same time a pimp exploiting a child can rightly face a lifetime in jail regardless whether the parents 'consent'.
Traditional family values eh?
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How do you feel about living in a country where children can and do get legally married off to older men at ages as low as 11 in many states to reflect 'Christian customs'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html

Strangely resembling many 'backward' Islamic countries or even ISIS. Is this part of the traditions of Christian America that needs to be preserved. I'm sure the husbands' intentions are as honourable as the Prophet Mohammads'.

At the same time a pimp exploiting a child can rightly face a lifetime in jail regardless whether the parents 'consent'.
Traditional family values eh?
So.. is this really a question or a lame attempt to equate America with cultures of the world that haven't evolved since the 13th century?

The legal age for marriage in America, in general, is 18. Most states allow for marriage at 16 or 17 with parental consent. As always, exceptions are made with judicial approval.

It seems the legal age for marriage in the UK is 16.. gays/lesbians not included, according to the Church of England.

Similarly, the age of consent in America is set by the individual states and varies from 16 to 18. Sex with an individual under the age of consent constitutes statutory rape. You've heard the saying "17 will get you 20"? It's true.

It's interesting to note the age of consent in other countries: itís 13 in South Korea and Japan, and, until recently, Spain; 14 in Austria, Germany, Italy, and Portugal; 15 in Denmark, France, and Sweden; and 16 in most of the rest of the Western world. The ages of 17 and 18 in the United States are outliers, though Ireland and a couple of states in Australia are also at 17.

In the few instances you referenced, judicial activism was required in order for these marriages to take place. It's neither common or accepted practice in every day life in America for people under the age of 15 to get married. Your article had to go back 10 and 15 years to find the rare examples that aren't indicative of the norm.

Got any more specious comparisons?
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For many in the US religious belief hasn't really 'evolved' much since the 13th Century in fact
as far as they're concerned there is no such thing as evolution.

Of course it's 'not the norm' to marry a 12 year old these days it's simply child abuse.
 
16/17 year olds aren't really the issue it's more those under the age of legal consent that are the problem for marriage. If they aren't old enough to give consent for sex how can they be allowed to get married?

The Article refers to the last 15 years - Ancient History right?

Judicial approval from who exactly? Some local Christian fanatic judge who would rather have a child bride rape victim than say 'God forbid' a termination! If it was a local Muslim judge would that also be approved by Christian Americans.


Many states don't even require judicial consent, just parental. Judicial consent may only be required if parental consent is not obtained.
http://family.findlaw.com/marriage/s...sent-laws.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/o...e-problem.html

Do you believe the marriage of a 12 year old is justified in any circumstance not matter how rare? In fact it's almost impossible to know the full extent of it in certain communities - 10 states didn't even provide any information at all.
It's a loophole that's open to abuse in religious communities so it's simple just ban it at least until 16. Why can't you just admit it's wrong? Many US states rightly do so and have banned it.





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For many in the US religious belief hasn't really 'evolved' much since the 13th Century in fact
as far as they're concerned there is no such thing as evolution.
Religious belief at the time of the founding of the United States was quite moderate. Men like George Washington were deists a vague and pleasant sort of humanism that today you'd associate with the Unitarians, Episcopalians or the gentler flavor of Presbyterians and Methodists.

The crazy really begins in the 1820s with "the great awakening", giant revival meetings and an ever ratcheting upwards of religious frenzy.

Its an open question as to just why this happened in the US, but not nearly so much in other British colonies. It may be that the disestablishment of the Anglican Church created more space for more entrepreneurial religious expression.

Put another way, one of the advantages of the Church of England is that no one gets too excited about it . . .

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For many in the US religious belief hasn't really 'evolved' much since the 13th Century in fact
as far as they're concerned there is no such thing as evolution.

Of course it's 'not the norm' to marry a 12 year old these days it's simply child abuse.
 
16/17 year olds aren't really the issue it's more those under the age of legal consent that are the problem for marriage. If they aren't old enough to give consent for sex how can they be allowed to get married?

The Article refers to the last 15 years - Ancient History right?

Judicial approval from who exactly? Some local Christian fanatic judge who would rather have a child bride rape victim than say 'God forbid' a termination! If it was a local Muslim judge would that also be approved by Christian Americans.


Many states don't even require judicial consent, just parental. Judicial consent may only be required if parental consent is not obtained.
http://family.findlaw.com/marriage/s...sent-laws.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/o...e-problem.html

Do you believe the marriage of a 12 year old is justified in any circumstance not matter how rare? In fact it's almost impossible to know the full extent of it in certain communities - 10 states didn't even provide any information at all.
It's a loophole that's open to abuse in religious communities so it's simple just ban it at least until 16. Why can't you just admit it's wrong? Many US states rightly do so and have banned it.




There is a real push to eliminate this practice carried over from an earlier age. The Roma still practice it. Likely some Muslim communities do so also, as well as fringe religious cults. Polygamy has also been illegal for over a century, but is still being practiced, too. Please remember that the United States has 5 times the population of the UK spread over an area more than 15 times greater.

In the United States one must learn to live with much that is disliked. You have my permission to keep Mr Trump whenever he alights in your country.
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