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Old 12-19-2009, 07:47 PM   #91
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2. bogart
To keep a spliff to oneself to oneself, especially while hanging from your mouth. From actor Humphrey Bogart's trademark cigarettes, held in lips or hand, but rarely actually smoked.
Hey, Bogart! Pass the joint.
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2. bogart
To keep a spliff to oneself to oneself, especially while hanging from your mouth. From actor Humphrey Bogart's trademark cigarettes, held in lips or hand, but rarely actually smoked.
Hey, Bogart! Pass the joint.
Agreed, though I've heard it more as a verb, than as a nickname, as in, "Don't bogart that jay, my friend!"
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If I went on holiday to the US and used phrases such as 'I'm going outside to roll a fag', or 'would you knock me up in the morning' would sensitive people faint thinking I'm a perve, or would you know what I meant?
Depends on how heavy your non-American accent is.
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And speaking of getting fired. I've noticed far too often (enough to make me think that this may be true) that a boss or employer can just fire someone for no apparent reason. This sort of thing would never happen in Australia without the unions getting involved and/or an unfair dismissal case in court.
In the US, yes it happens all the time. See my earlier post about "at will" employees.
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"Jonesing" came from a Grateful Dead song "Casey Jones". The line was in the chorus "driving that train, high on cocaine, Casey Jones you better watch your speed".

Casey Jones was a train engineer I believe in the 1800's who stayed with the engine trying to stop it rather than jump and save himself when he was about to crash into another train. It was something we learned in elementary school history.
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Regarding Coca-Cola in WWII, the US military considered it important enough for troop morale that the company would build bottling plants at military bases as American troops advanced. Here's an article about it: http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-food/coca_cola.htm
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And speaking of getting fired. I've noticed far too often (enough to make me think that this may be true) that a boss or employer can just fire someone for no apparent reason. This sort of thing would never happen in Australia without the unions getting involved and/or an unfair dismissal case in court.

America generally operates under "at-will" employement laws which means that you can let someone go for any non-illegal reason you want.
I can't imagine things functioning any other way. How can a company function without the ability to hire and fire as it see fit?

Some professions are heavily unionized like teachers and the car industry, while others are totally non-union. Most small business do not have unions.

Unions are a complicated and touchy subject in America due to their influence on politics and reputation for driving up costs and protecting members (or rather union executives) and making things a pain in the ass for non-members to do business.

For example, many film and animation studios have shipped jobs overseas to cut costs since minimum film union rates on pre-production and production effects work average around 1500 to 2000 per week/per person. You can hire the same person in India for 1/8th that cost. I work in computer games currently, but I know from buddies (and my wife) who are in various film-related unions that the unions go to great lengths to prevent non-union guys who are qualified from getting work.

Unfortunately you can't just join that film union when you want since the union tries to keep people out because existing members are threatened by new guys. It's a screwed up situation and so many directors and studios have just gotten fed up with unions and strikes etc. and left for cheaper waters. I worked on one film as a non-union guy but that was up in San Francisco, away from the influence of the LA unions.

I guess it generally comes down to if you are an owner, or an employee, when it comes to unions or at-will work laws. Where you stand depends on where you sit, as the expression goes.

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America generally operates under "at-will" employement laws which means that you can let someone go for any non-illegal reason you want.
I can't imagine things functioning any other way. How can a company function without the ability to hire and fire as it see fit?
In a Utopian society a workplace without unionised labour would be ideal. I was once a union shop steward 15 years ago but left that place of employment and never bothered to join the union again. However in recent years our boss has tried to f*ck us around with manipulating enterprise bargaining contracts to the companies advantage and at the disadvantage of the workers so that he can earn his meaty bonus at the end of the year. One time the boss called a meeting and promptly stopped our morning break that we had been enjoying since times immemorial because the company was paying for that and didn't have to.
Mind you things have changed recently for the good with a new boss but I think it is in many of our best interests to belong to a union as an insurance against being taken advantage of.
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I can't imagine things functioning any other way. How can a company function without the ability to hire and fire as it see fit?
At great economic cost. That may be the single biggest economic problem in Germany.

A real job means guaranteed benefits which go beyond what Americans expect. But hey, this thread ain't about Germany. Still, it's quite interesting.
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Mind you things have changed recently for the good with a new boss but I think it is in many of our best interests to belong to a union as an insurance against being taken advantage of.
I'm not saying unions are evil or anything, but like any other large organization, the longer time passes the more there is a flow towards self-preservation and money/power consolidation.

Perhaps in 1920 when you had kids working 14 hours per day in dangerous factories, unions were an essential need. But in the modern world with numerous state and federal laws in place and a fast moving and rapidly changing work environment, the old structured unions operate more and more like big-business entities complete with political donations, incompetence, bribery and corruption etc.
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