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Old 02-05-2013, 10:36 AM   #41
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Personally, I think Barack is an awesomely stupid name and that there are plenty Democrats out there with silly names.
But you wouldn't be looking for them, would you.
Of course you would.

Americans seem to have forgotten that theirs is a country based on immigration and that almost everyone their is an immigrant or of immigrant ancestry (save the First Nations people who were treated horribly and had their land stolen by the Europeans, but I digress).

I bring this up because there seems to be some socially acceptable ethnicities and some that are not. For example;

If someone had the first name Luigi, Mario or Giovanni one might say - "OK, his parents are of Italian descent" or if their name was Luis, Manuel or Jose you would say "Hey - there's a latino, maybe from Mexico or Cuba!"

Barack Obama Jr is the son of Barack Obama Sr, a Kenyan student who went to school in Hawaii and then on to Harvard. Perfectly reasonable for a proud father to give his son the same name he has.

Obama Jr, who also went on to study at Harvard, married Michelle Robinson and had two children - Malia and Sasha, names more reflective of an American upbringing.

Which brings us to the subject of conformity, acceptance and obedience.

(See Asch and to a lesser extent Milgram on their various studies)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_co...ty_experiments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

There seems to be some type of social double standard when it comes to immigration in America, where 'new' immigrants are treated differently from the 'old' immigrants - and within that there are places deemed more appropriate to hail from.

Indeed, some names today have become so ingrained that their historical aspect is not even thought of. Consider the restaurant chain "McDonalds", which has become a staple of American culture.

Nice Scottish name, isn't it?

Now - if the golden arches were named, let say "Mohamed's", you think they would have billions and billions served? Even though that name is the most prevalent name in the world?

Not likely - because that is not yet a socially acceptable name and probably ranks last in America, in the list of cultures that are most acceptable.

Sure - Barack may be an awesomely stupid name HERE, because it isn't Tom, Dick or Harry, or whatever name you're used to. But it's his father's name, who was Kenyan, which is quite reflective of American history - a nation built on immigration and run by immigrants. All of us.

So - there is some historical importance in his being named Barack. The question remains (and was pointed out in the previous posts) what did Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin name their children after (and to a lesser extent her unmarried daughter, a public figure, as pointed out by Scoundrel)?

What culturally and historically significant event in their lives caused them to name their children the way they did?

(I'm still sticking by the hockey thing...)
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:08 PM   #42
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I quite like the Greek Orthodox rule, in which a child bears the name of a saint in that faith. I wouldn't follow it, not being Greek Orthodox by faith myself, but I like the way it prevents idiot parents calling their kids names I wouldn't give to my pet cat.

Barack is not a silly name if you are of Kenyan ancestry. I think it would be silly if I myself had a son and called him Barack; it wasn't much used as a name in Yorkshire. In one of the Herriot books, the author expressed dry humour but also compassion for the Skelton brothers, Marmaduke, Sebastian and Alonzo, saddled with pretentious names due to the snobbery of their would-be social climber mother.

If we really want to mock Democrats for their names, I would start with Lyndon Baines Johnson, Lady Bird Johnson (her real names were Claudia Alta) and Little Beagle Johnson, their pet dog.
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Personally, I think Barack is an awesomely stupid name and that there are plenty Democrats out there with silly names.
But you wouldn't be looking for them, would you.
Nope. Making fun of Republicans is too much fun. Between the aggressive ignorance and their earnest sanctimonious bathos they might as well have a "kick me" sign taped to their rears.

Barack IS a weird name....if your a white middle-class American, but for all we know its culturally a normal name in Kenya like Tom or Bob. Names like Tripp or Trigg or Bristol are weird names even IF you are American.

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I quite like the Greek Orthodox rule, in which a child bears the name of a saint in that faith. I wouldn't follow it, not being Greek Orthodox by faith myself, but I like the way it prevents idiot parents calling their kids names I wouldn't give to my pet cat.
Interesting.

I grew up in a Greek section of the city - the schools I went to were at least 50% Greek. I knew how to say 'malaka', 'pousti' and 'tikanis' (sp?) before I learned any French!

It was always my understanding that the names of the children went back to their grandparents.

First kid got the name of the father's parents. A boy was named after his Dad's grandfather, girl after Dad's grandmother.

If the next child was another boy, he got the name of the mother's father. A girl got the name of the father's mother.

They used up all the grandparents names, fathers first - then they got the usual Greek names of the time:

Georgios, Adonis, Nicktari, Fotis, Stavros, Stelios, Panagiotis

(all anglicized to George, Tony, Nick, Frank, Steve, Peter...)


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Looks like the Republican civil war is beginning to heat up a bit. Turdblossum (Karl Rove) has decided its up to him to try and get rid of all these extreme right wingers running for the Senate. Looks like two are in his immediate sights.

The first is Steve King, a Tea Partier from Iowa who's about as extreme as you can get. Tom Harkin is retiring so King thinks its his turn:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2631940.html

A few quotes:

"As you may have heard, establishment conservative kingpin Karl Rove has launched his latest effort in electoral king-making: the Conservative Victory Project. But this is no mere project for conservative victories. As The New York Times described it, Rove's intentions are "to counter other organizations that have helped defeat establishment Republican candidates over the last two election cycles."

"Representative Steve King, a six-term Iowa Republican, could be among the earliest targets of the Conservative Victory Project. He said he had not decided whether he would run for the Senate, but the leaders of the project in Washington are not waiting to try to steer him away from the race.

The group’s plans, which were outlined for the first time last week in an interview with Mr. Law, call for hard-edge campaign tactics, including television advertising, against candidates whom party leaders see as unelectable and a drag on the efforts to win the Senate. Mr. Law cited Iowa as an example and said Republicans could no longer be squeamish about intervening in primary fights.

“We’re concerned about Steve King’s Todd Akin problem,” Mr. Law said. “This is an example of candidate discipline and how it would play in a general election. All of the things he’s said are going to be hung around his neck.”

And then there's Rep. Paul Broun from Georgia who is so far out there he almost makes King seem sane (almost). He's now been targeted by Rove:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Deco...ectable-target

Believe it or not this clown is on the House Science Cmte. From the article:

"He is exactly the kind of candidate that, in theory, Rove's group would want to weed out. Ultra-conservative on both social and fiscal matters, Congressman Broun has amassed a reputation for making inflammatory and controversial statements during his time in Congress. A doctor, he gained national attention last fall when he said at a sportsman's banquet that "all that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the big-bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell." At the same event, he also said he believed Earth was less than 9,000 years old and was created in six days."

How in the world did people in the US get so stupid they would nominate either of these guys for anything other than dog catcher?
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How in the world did people in the US get so stupid they would nominate either of these guys for anything other than dog catcher?
I'm a bit insulted that you think any of us would nominate either one for dog catcher!!


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Looks like the Republican civil war is beginning to heat up a bit. Turdblossum (Karl Rove) has decided its up to him to try and get rid of all these extreme right wingers running for the Senate. Looks like two are in his immediate sights.
So - we are finally starting to see, and put a face to, what has been going on in American politics.

People who have never been elected to office, but with the financial backing of the wealthy, are trying to dictate who should be offered up as leaders for their citizens to elect.

It was no secret that after the last election in Nov 2012, many financial backers were livid with Rove, who was unable to purchase an election win for them, despite spending hundreds of millions of dollars to do so. Reports have said that his Super PAC group spent upwards of $390 million to support GOP candidates, but got little in return.

Now he has turned his hand to working as a King Maker, lining up his chosen few to face the Dems.

What is truly sickening is just how overt all of this is. There was a day when all of this would be done in smoke filled back rooms. Now - it's all out there in the open, like a pimple on a nose, for all to see, and everyone thinks it's...normal?
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So - we are finally starting to see, and put a face to, what has been going on in American politics.

People who have never been elected to office, but with the financial backing of the wealthy, are trying to dictate who should be offered up as leaders for their citizens to elect.

It was no secret that after the last election in Nov 2012, many financial backers were livid with Rove, who was unable to purchase an election win for them, despite spending hundreds of millions of dollars to do so. Reports have said that his Super PAC group spent upwards of $390 million to support GOP candidates, but got little in return.

Now he has turned his hand to working as a King Maker, lining up his chosen few to face the Dems.

What is truly sickening is just how overt all of this is. There was a day when all of this would be done in smoke filled back rooms. Now - it's all out there in the open, like a pimple on a nose, for all to see, and everyone thinks it's...normal?

Yes, this is normal and there is really nothing wrong with it.
I would make as much money off the Republicans as I could just as Karl Rove is doing.
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So - we are finally starting to see, and put a face to, what has been going on in American politics.

People who have never been elected to office, but with the financial backing of the wealthy, are trying to dictate who should be offered up as leaders for their citizens to elect.
I think that became clear during the last election. Remember how Sheldon Adelson (the billionaire from Las Vegas in the gambling industry) kept Newt Gingrich in the race way longer than he should have? And then there was the guy (forget his name) who kept Santorum in the race almost all by himself? I remember seeing someone say, after the election, that what any politician now needs is a billionaire. As long as they have at least one they can stay in a race for almost as long as they want. Just imagine if one of these guys were to get elected?

For instance; imagine if some billionaire had just pumped multi-millions of dollars into your campaign and you won. What exactly do you owe that person? Take Sheldon Adelson. He pumped millions into the Gingrich and Romney campaigns while being under investigation for some deals in China. There are allegations that Adelson is actually under the thumb of the Chinese. So now you have a President that owes the Chinese?

The Supreme Court says it couldn't happen but, if the allegations prove true, we could have had a President (Romney) who owed the Chinese whatever they wanted. Wonder what that might be?
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Dick Morris? If someone were to look up political weasel in the dictionary there would be a picture of Dick Morris. The guy is always wrong! I'll never understand how anyone could pay the least attention to him.
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