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Old 10-18-2017, 07:50 PM   #2851
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The Electoral College was not a surprise.

The "Battleground" states were not unknown.

Bill Clinton warned his wife that she was making a mistake. She chose to ignore him, probably part of her plan to ignore him for her entire presidency. She bought a house next to the White House to help her prepare to move in. She was so completely overconfident that she had a hard time accepting reality.

Kinda funny that so many others are also still not accepting it.

The idiot won because enough people hated Hillary. She should have learned from Al Gore, if you don't win the Electoral College, you don't become POTUS.
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There is a lot of mythologizing about the U.S. Constitution. The founders had well learned the lessons of history and did a good job of distributing power. That they were not perfect is illustrated by the fact that they failed to anticipate and provide for the emergence of political parties despite the fact parties and factions were known to exist in all previous attempts at elective governments, were discussed during the convention, and were emerging at the convention. They also failed to foresee that the compromises made to allow for the continuation of slavery would lead to an extremely violent civil war in less than a century.

Majority rule has been the fundamental agreement underpinning democratic and republican governments since their inception. The fact that a party that has received fewer total votes in both the congressional and presidential elections has been able to claim power for decades and pack the courts with its ideologues is a clear sign that our design is flawed. Since it is quite clear that the wealthy and their political lackeys have no intention of correcting these flaws, it would appear that resentment will fester in the disadvantaged majority until violence and disorder overwhelm the society and force changes.

I will soon be 69 years old and had rather hoped to be gone before things collapsed. However, I keep reading that Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security will place the government in financial crisis at sometime in the next 5 to 15 years. (If Wall Street doesn't screw up again and wreck the global economy first.) McConnell, Ryan, and Trump are feverishly working on a tax "reform" package that projects to accelerate the growth of treasury debt. Mom just passed away at the age of 90, but Dad is doing quite well for a 92 year old man. (Not that most men live that long.) It really looks like my plans are to be thwarted. I hate it when that happens.
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Old 10-20-2017, 12:14 AM   #2853
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Looks like a lot of people don't understand the reasons for the electoral college

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...-matters-18331

http://www.historycentral.com/electi...collgewhy.html

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the...toral-college/
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Old 10-20-2017, 04:45 AM   #2854
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Looks like a lot of people don't understand the reasons for the electoral college
Nor do they understand that there is a very fine line between majority rule and mob rule.
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Nor do they understand that there is a very fine line between majority rule and mob rule.
Our president seems to like mob rule. Why else does he keep stirring up racial divide's and instilling more ethnic hate, by promoting nativism, repeating fake news as truth, and constantly lying?
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Our president seems to like mob rule. Why else does he keep stirring up racial divide's and instilling more ethnic hate, by promoting nativism, repeating fake news as truth, and constantly lying?
That's a product of his status of health respectively his mental condition, IMHO.
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That's a product of his status of health respectively his mental condition, IMHO.
I agree it's a product of his mental makeup. Whatever the cause is, the effect is dividing this country. I saw what was happening to the country during the late 60's to early 70's during the Viet Nam war and civil rights movement, I was born in '61. I lived in Ohio when Kent State happened, and my family was driving from Mobile, Alabama back to Cincinnati when the race riots began in Selma. The divides today remind me of then, and how I imagine emotions were running just prior to and during the Civil War.

We've been fighting wars for a long time now, racism is still something we struggle mightily with as a society. The hate and vitriol only continues to divide us further. As president, Trump should be using his office as a means of uniting, but he doesn't seem capable of it. To me, his constantly having to respond to _every_ perceived slight or criticism is greatly contributing to the problem. I would rather that the president acted like an adult and rose above it, ignoring the insults and concentrating on actually doing the job of running the country. Results will speak for themselves. But he's really had no results to speak of that he can claim as his own. That's not meant to be a stinging criticism, he hasn't been in office a year yet, but still his time in office so far is rather lack luster when compared to other president's accomplishments in their first year. A lack of real results coupled with his very real ability to divide rather than unite, or even seem to attempt to unite, (the only time president Trump appeared to me to be attempting to unite the country was when he said that some of the white extremist protesters in Charlottesville were good people too) and I don't see things getting any better for the remainder of his term. Blame who you want for this, the president himself, or critical liberal's, the result will still be the same, a continued division and subdivision within the country.

Donald Trump does not like to lose, I think we can all agree on that. I think he's going to pull an LBJ before 2020 and decide to not seek reelection. Not because he doesn't want to have two terms on his resume', he wants those two terms now more than ever, thinking of a one term president as a loser, but because he wont have the support to win the republican nomination, and will be able to say he chose not to seek reelection rather than face losing the nomination.

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Old 10-20-2017, 07:08 PM   #2858
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Regarding the current outrage over athlete's kneeling during the national anthem, Colin Kaeperknick made it crystal clear what he was protesting. That is, what he saw to be the continued alarming, even escalating, rate of unarmed black men being killed during confrontations with law enforcement. He chose to kneel rather than sit, after meeting with a veteran and listening to his thoughts on CK's protest, wanting to demonstrate that it was NOT meant to denigrate those who served in the military defending our nation when called upon to do so, but point the spotlight on the many instances of abusive violence against people of color by a police officer in uniform, a patch of the U.S. flag on their sleeve. Actions that have almost no consequence for the involved officer themselves. These questionable instances usually result in paid leave for the officer followed by a return to duty.

It's not a political protest, it's a social protest. It's only target being the perceived social injustice. The politicization started with the president, and has since been enthusiastically adopted by his supporters. It's my opinion that this politicizing of a non-political issue has blown this very mild form of protest, based on a legitimate, valid concern, out of all proportion. It has changed the focus from CK's perceived social injustice to one of perceived patriotism in general, and has eclipsed the very real issue that was being protested in the first place. Appearances are more important than a concerning social issue. Very sad.

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It's not a political protest, it's a social protest.
He does not have to protest if it is a social problem. The adequate approach would be to file criminal charges against persons unknown at the next police station. The police is obliged to take criminal charges seriously. They have to investigate violations of the law in the best judgment. It is their duty to identify and arrest wrongdoers. All further steps are taken by the public prosecutor. Criminals are convicted by a court if they are guilty. They have to go to jail.

Problem solved. Everyone is happy and satisfied.

However, the matter looks different when it is a political problem. Civil resistance would be necessary since state institutions, like the police, represent the problem. The second most effective form of civil resistance is peaceful public protest.
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Old 10-20-2017, 09:11 PM   #2860
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It is their duty to identify and arrest wrongdoers. All further steps are taken by the public prosecutor. Criminals are convicted by a court if they are guilty. They have to go to jail.

Problem solved. Everyone is happy and satisfied.
Only that's usually not what happens. DA's require a good working relationship with their local police force, so usually these cases are declined for prosecution. The local DA's career's are dependent upon convictions, not dispensing justice, that's what judges are supposed to do. But the reality is judges only interpret the law and rule according to that interpretation. DA's and assistant DA's get more convictions when the police cooperate with them thinking of them as "good guy's" and "on the side of law enforcement" versus someone out to put their brothers in blue behind bars for murder and not to be trusted or aided in pending cases. This usually results in no convictions for the DA, leading to their replacement, hopefully as far as law enforcement is concerned, with someone who has their backs. After all, if a DA (or assistant DA) isn't getting convictions they are seen as ineffective and replaced.

Maybe all such cases should be automatically referred to federal court as civil right violations, where the prosecuting attorney is not dependent on that same police force under direct scrutiny to support them in other/future cases they have or will have before the courts.

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