Current or modern politics in the United States - Page 266

**Rogerbh** · December 7th, 2017, 07:40 AM

You can see from the comments of some politicians that they do not understand the requirements of a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) permit - dangerous criminals would not have legal weapons but rely upon their illegal weapons as they do currently. They do not care about reciprocity. Law abiding people care about reciprocity.

The quoted politician thinks, like many of you, guns bad. Ban all guns.

That is not the country I live in.

**bowlinggreen** · December 7th, 2017, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rogerbh

CCW holders commit crimes at a lower rate than policemen. http://www.dailywire.com/news/8255/r...-aaron-bandler These are the people you want armed in your communities.

There are lawsuits right now in areas that basically do not issue CCWs. The right of a CCW holder to carry out of their area into these areas is the question being fought over. One of the arguments I have seen in this discussion is that Philando Castile - a CCW holder - would not have been killed if he did not tell the police officer he was a CCW holder. That is pretty much an insane argument, a CCW holder legally having a holstered weapon tells a police officer he has a weapon and is murdered by said officer. Because someone who never should have been a police officer in the first place murders a CCW holder, CCW holders should not be allowed. This is a joke to the gun owning community.

This was a very strange incident. I am sure you are also familiar with the incident in which a Minneapolis police officer shot an unarmed woman and killed her - and she was the one who had called the police.

**Rogerbh** · December 7th, 2017, 09:35 AM

Trigger happy cops seem to be more and more common. In the same vein, I have met a number of attorneys who I thought were too stupid to have ever passed a bar exam, but obviously did. The employment requirements are much lower for police and because of the internet/national news we are seeing examples of stupidity/gross incompetence that I think 30 or 40 years ago - we would never have seen.

That cop who shot a black man and then started to place items to corroborate his story unaware that he was being filmed comes to mind too. The influx of video via phones and the internet are exposing us to things that would have been buried decades ago.

The world is changing.

**Roubignol** · December 7th, 2017, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian249x

Wicked plot? How about a recognition that the times have changed and many voters are no longer willing to condone aberrant behavior in their elected officials. The Republicans claim to be the party defending moral values, but appear prepared to support the Marquis de Sade if it would gain them a Senate seat.

Here we get a politician called Yannick Buttet. He's now "entangled" in a scandal of several sexual harrassements. Politically speaking his status is like a US Senator. He represents the Catholic Democratic Party...

He's married with the same wife, has children... and several girlfriends.
We almost daily could listened to him at the radio as a moral authority.

As said by a female political opponent: "He tells to drink water, but himself drinks wine".

That would not disturb anybody if he would represent "the Party of the Decadence", but the Catholic one (they call themselves, the Party of the Family)

**Devius** · December 7th, 2017, 06:49 PM

Democratic Senator and ex-comedian Al Franken has said he plans to quit "in the coming weeks" after string of sexual harassment allegations.

"I am proud that during my time in the Senate that I have used my power to be a champion of women," the Minnesota senator said from the US Senate floor.

His speech came a day after nearly 30 Democrats called on him to resign.

He is the most prominent lawmaker to resign amid a wave of sexual misconduct claims against high-profile figures.

"Today I am announcing that in the coming weeks I will be resigning as a member of the United States Senate," he told his colleagues on Thursday.

"I may be resigning my seat but I am not giving up my voice."

The former Saturday Night Live comedian and two-term senator has apologised to several women who have accused him of groping and sexual harassment, but he faced mounting pressure to resign after a new allegation emerged on Wednesday.

Mr Franken said some of the allegations against him "are simply are not true", but added that women "deserve to be heard and their experiences taken seriously".

He also referenced the sexual misconduct allegations that have been levelled against US President Donald Trump and Republican Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore.

"I, of all people, am aware that there is some irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office, and a man who has repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate with the full support of his party."

Details:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42271979

**Arturo2nd** · December 7th, 2017, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogerbh

You can see from the comments of some politicians that they do not understand the requirements of a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) permit - dangerous criminals would not have legal weapons but rely upon their illegal weapons as they do currently. They do not care about reciprocity. Law abiding people care about reciprocity.

I have real questions about the federal government overruling state and local government regulations. Please note that prohibiting the carrying of firearms within town limits became nearly universal in Western frontier areas in the 19th century as a public safety measure.

In many jurisdictions, CCW permits are handed out upon request with little or no investigation of an applicant's background or need for the permit. It does not seem proper that these folks should be free to roam around New York City with Glock 9mm pistols in shoulder holsters under their coats. Shouldn't New York have the right to make provisions for public safety in its jurisdiction? Are we to assume that Congressman in Washington, D.C. and NRA lobbyists are better judges of local conditions than the local authorities.?

It should be noted that the states with the highest rates of deaths by firearms are also those where is it easiest to get a CCW. I believe that we should continue to have the right to own guns in the United States, but am not comfortable with any Tom, Dick, and Harry running around with a gun.

I am extremely nearsighted and legally blind in one eye (but glasses give me normal vision) I do have a tremor and would be very unlikely to hit a target with a pistol. Do you believe I should be able to carry a concealed sawed off shotgun for my protection? If not, why?

**Rogerbh** · December 7th, 2017, 07:49 PM

A sawed off shotgun is an illegal weapon under the NFA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawed-off_shotgun Thus you would be arrested if Law Enforcement noticed you.

Statistics seem to be cherry picked by whatever side is writing the article - http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...es-open-carry/

However, until it is shown that CCW holders commit crime in higher numbers than they do right now, I would side with reciprocity. Telling me that I can't drive in another state because I don't have a license from that state is not legal so I can't see a reason why low crime committing CCW holders can't carry in other states.

Admittedly CCW permit requirements vary from state to state, city to city. In my area in the 70's, the city almost never issued CCWs (hasn't changed to this day). The county issued CCWs if you donated to the Sherrif's re-election campaign. Other counties had much more lax rules. However CCWs jealously guarded their right to carry and I did not see any articles regarding CCWs abusing the law. Since the stats seem to back up the law abiding nature of CCWs, I would like to see more of them on the street.

**Arturo2nd** · December 7th, 2017, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogerbh

A sawed off shotgun is an illegal weapon under the NFA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawed-off_shotgun Thus you would be arrested if Law Enforcement noticed you.

I know private citizens do not usually get permits for a short-barreled shotgun, while police and the military use them. It doesn't seem fair that others are allowed to carry weapons, but that I can be denied using a weapon that is appropriate in my case. Perhaps, I could obtain a permit if I really pursued it.

I really haven't made up my mind on the CCW issue, but do find it strange that the same people who jealously guard states' rights are willing to suppress those rights in this instance. Having read about the ease with which permits are obtained in many jurisdictions, I do have reservations about forcing states and cities that wish to have more stringent standards to accept permits issued by the most lenient jurisdiction.

We have a real challenge in preventing the mentally ill and political or religious fanatics from gunning down masses of random victims. Suicides are facilitated by easy access to firearms. It is suicides that really drive up the number of gun deaths. We will never know if these folks would have found another way to off themselves, or if the would have had second thoughts and kept on living. Accidental shootings are a tragic fact of life in America, but you are far more likely to die in a traffic accident or fall.

Like I said, I haven't made up my mind, but do lean towards the notion that we are made safer by limiting the number of people running around with firearms on their person. Here is an example of what happens:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b05c37bb7f3de8

Is sitting on your gun and accidentally blowing your dick off funny or tragic?

**LadyLuck** · December 7th, 2017, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian249x

I really haven't made up my mind on the CCW issue, but do find it strange that the same people who jealously guard states' rights are willing to suppress those rights in this instance. Having read about the ease with which permits are obtained in many jurisdictions, I do have reservations about forcing states and cities that wish to have more stringent standards to accept permits issued by the most lenient jurisdiction.

I agree and I live in one of those states with lenient gun laws. I prefer the current reciprocity model where one state makes the decision whether to honor another state's permits but does so under their existing laws. I live in Georgia. I frequently travel to Tennessee with my firearm. While in Tennessee they will honor my Georgia issued concealed carry permit as one of their own but I must abide by their laws which do differ a bit from Georgia's. That's the way I think it should be.

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Is sitting on your gun and accidentally blowing your dick off funny or tragic?

Both. Funny for me and tragic for him... they are not mutually exclusive.

**Rogerbh** · December 7th, 2017, 10:54 PM

So convicted felon drug dealer states he accidently shot himself in the penis - ?

Wouldn't believe him in the first place, would wish he dies on the operating table. Darwinism or just the local drug trade culling one of its own. Either way, he isn't following the law and is unlikely to change his ways.

Do you really think he cares what the gun laws are?

December 7th, 2017, 06:49 PM	#2655
Devius Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's a London Thing.... Posts: 23,577 Thanks: 142,407 Thanked 228,787 Times in 23,612 Posts	Senator Al Franken to resign amid sexual misconduct claims Democratic Senator and ex-comedian Al Franken has said he plans to quit "in the coming weeks" after string of sexual harassment allegations. "I am proud that during my time in the Senate that I have used my power to be a champion of women," the Minnesota senator said from the US Senate floor. His speech came a day after nearly 30 Democrats called on him to resign. He is the most prominent lawmaker to resign amid a wave of sexual misconduct claims against high-profile figures. "Today I am announcing that in the coming weeks I will be resigning as a member of the United States Senate," he told his colleagues on Thursday. "I may be resigning my seat but I am not giving up my voice." The former Saturday Night Live comedian and two-term senator has apologised to several women who have accused him of groping and sexual harassment, but he faced mounting pressure to resign after a new allegation emerged on Wednesday. Mr Franken said some of the allegations against him "are simply are not true", but added that women "deserve to be heard and their experiences taken seriously". He also referenced the sexual misconduct allegations that have been levelled against US President Donald Trump and Republican Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore. "I, of all people, am aware that there is some irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office, and a man who has repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate with the full support of his party." Details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42271979 __________________ "I've had it with them, I've had it with you, I've had it with ALL THIS - I WANT ROOM SERVICE!* I want the club sandwich, I want the cold Mexican beer, I want a $10,000-a-night hooker!"* Johnny Mnemonic (1995)

December 7th, 2017, 07:40 AM	#2651
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,935 Thanks: 50,612 Thanked 91,388 Times in 10,784 Posts	You can see from the comments of some politicians that they do not understand the requirements of a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) permit - dangerous criminals would not have legal weapons but rely upon their illegal weapons as they do currently. They do not care about reciprocity. Law abiding people care about reciprocity. The quoted politician thinks, like many of you, guns bad. Ban all guns. That is not the country I live in.

December 7th, 2017, 09:35 AM	#2653
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,935 Thanks: 50,612 Thanked 91,388 Times in 10,784 Posts	Trigger happy cops seem to be more and more common. In the same vein, I have met a number of attorneys who I thought were too stupid to have ever passed a bar exam, but obviously did. The employment requirements are much lower for police and because of the internet/national news we are seeing examples of stupidity/gross incompetence that I think 30 or 40 years ago - we would never have seen. That cop who shot a black man and then started to place items to corroborate his story unaware that he was being filmed comes to mind too. The influx of video via phones and the internet are exposing us to things that would have been buried decades ago. The world is changing.

December 7th, 2017, 07:49 PM	#2657
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,935 Thanks: 50,612 Thanked 91,388 Times in 10,784 Posts	A sawed off shotgun is an illegal weapon under the NFA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawed-off_shotgun Thus you would be arrested if Law Enforcement noticed you. Statistics seem to be cherry picked by whatever side is writing the article - http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...es-open-carry/ However, until it is shown that CCW holders commit crime in higher numbers than they do right now, I would side with reciprocity. Telling me that I can't drive in another state because I don't have a license from that state is not legal so I can't see a reason why low crime committing CCW holders can't carry in other states. Admittedly CCW permit requirements vary from state to state, city to city. In my area in the 70's, the city almost never issued CCWs (hasn't changed to this day). The county issued CCWs if you donated to the Sherrif's re-election campaign. Other counties had much more lax rules. However CCWs jealously guarded their right to carry and I did not see any articles regarding CCWs abusing the law. Since the stats seem to back up the law abiding nature of CCWs, I would like to see more of them on the street.

December 7th, 2017, 10:54 PM	#2660
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,935 Thanks: 50,612 Thanked 91,388 Times in 10,784 Posts	So convicted felon drug dealer states he accidently shot himself in the penis - ? Wouldn't believe him in the first place, would wish he dies on the operating table. Darwinism or just the local drug trade culling one of its own. Either way, he isn't following the law and is unlikely to change his ways. Do you really think he cares what the gun laws are?