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Old 02-25-2013, 08:27 PM   #101
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Republicans may be "people" but they are no longer "human".
Republicans may be "people" but they certainly aren't "human". Heard that anywhere else, in different context, before?
I think what is meant here,if I may take the liberty, is that Republicons are'nt regarding HUMAN RIGHTS,in this country,& all over the world as much as some others political affiliations?You got wackos taking the party over.Just look at it!Rush Limburger,(said to be the parties mouthpiece),Hannity,Ryan,Rawmoney,Herman the pizzaman, Donald "Ducklips" Trump,Clint "the chicken hawk cowboy",etc.,etc.,etc.All these radical ,conservative for their own agenda ,truly Republicons,have maimed the poor & middleclass rather than named,the remedy for our dwindling all most unattainable upward movement to the middleclass.The only solution offered for the last 20 years by the GOP is to give themselves & thier kind ,the upper 4% of income earners huge tax breaks!It did'nt work 20 years ago & is'nt working now,& never will!They rack up the debt ,don't pay for it then whem the other party gets in ,blame them for the full Monty.

Look at the policies of these people,arrogant attitudes,things they said about pulling yourself up,by bootstraps, when so many here have no boots to pull up!This is what I mean & I'm sure others mean,they have lost touch with their humanity & sanity, & say just ludicrous things.Like the republican moron who was running for US senator in MO. ,he said when a woman is raped,abortion is'nt needed ,the woman's body shuts the possible pregnancy down automatically!

Lets face it the crazies have taken this GOP party over!Yes a lot of them lost their empathy for humanity!

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Old 02-25-2013, 08:31 PM   #102
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The impression I have of American political parties is that the Democrats are conservative and the Republicans are extremely conservative. Think Im joking? Well if the Democrats are the so called liberals would they in the eighties have had someone like Michael Foot or Neil Kinnock as their leader? I dont think so!!!!
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:42 PM   #103
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The impression I have of American political parties is that the Democrats are conservative and the Republicans are extremely conservative. Think Im joking? Well if the Democrats are the so called liberals would they in the eighties have had someone like Michael Foot or Neil Kinnock as their leader? I dont think so!!!!
In some ways true.We really have no organized socialist party, or truely progressive party here.Most Americans, esp. hillbillies,equate Socialist with Soviet & Chinese style communism.They don't know in Europe Socialist named parties exist & are in power a lot of times.Social HC,Ownership or part of a nations industry,etc.

There have been times at the lower US election level State & national election ,I have voted for a socialist party candidate.

For now the Dems,our middle ground slightly right party will have to do.The Republicons have gone the way of the Salem Witch Hunt party.
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:47 PM   #104
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The impression I have of American political parties is that the Democrats are conservative and the Republicans are extremely conservative. Think Im joking? Well if the Democrats are the so called liberals would they in the eighties have had someone like Michael Foot or Neil Kinnock as their leader? I dont think so!!!!
Not to get into to too much of a debate about it, but this may be kind of true...if only because once you get past the wide swath of ideals the terms liberal and conservative have whole cultural nuances of meaning that may not translate fully to another countries value set.

What would be a really interesting exercise is to start a forum posting asking for each person to state first how they view themselves ideologically. Then have them define three key descriptions of their ideology...then have them define three key descriptions of their opposing ideology. No flaming. No arguing. Just an experiment to see how people perceive their ideology vs an opposing ideology.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:29 PM   #105
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Very true !!!!

War is big business for only a few (which aren't involved in action) !!

Not for the national economy. Contrariwise , it ruins the national economy!
The tax payers money is running into the bags of the military industrial complex of a few companies and a few service conductors.

Soldiers are send into dead and can't participating at the national product any more.

Just an add.
Allow me to introduce 'The Few'

http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com/companies.asp

Allow me to introduce the real legislators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...change_Council

Incidentally, this isn't a specific problem but a global problem. Even the allegedly war-weary Germany does the same. We make our money primarily with so-called 'defense' contracts. And our laws are mainly written and changed by corporations. Not by the people.

Edit : Sorry, corporations are people. My mistake. They may even vote.

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Old 02-26-2013, 01:29 AM   #106
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It is a scary thing to see that American Democrats are seen as "conservative" by our friends across the pond.

It shows how far the Communists have dragged them down.
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In some ways true.We really have no organized socialist party, or truely progressive party here.Most Americans, esp. hillbillies,equate Socialist with Soviet & Chinese style communism.They don't know in Europe Socialist named parties exist & are in power a lot of times.Social HC,Ownership or part of a nations industry,etc.
They know and its part of why they hate Europe.
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It is a scary thing to see that American Democrats are seen as "conservative" by our friends across the pond.

It shows how far the Communists have dragged them down.

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In some ways true.We really have no organized socialist party, or truely progressive party here.Most Americans, esp. hillbillies,equate Socialist with Soviet & Chinese style communism.They don't know in Europe Socialist named parties exist & are in power a lot of times.Social HC,Ownership or part of a nations industry,etc.
They know and its part of why they hate Europe.
For that - you simply have to quote post #19
It's all said in this post.

Indeed, the US-Democrats are mainly seen as a conservative to a liberal force in the political spectrum. But the emphasis is at conservative part than the party is liberal.

That shows, how far away the Republican Party is away from the mainstream in Europe.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:10 PM   #109
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In some ways true.We really have no organized socialist party, or truely progressive party here.Most Americans, esp. hillbillies,equate Socialist with Soviet & Chinese style communism.They don't know in Europe Socialist named parties exist & are in power a lot of times.Social HC,Ownership or part of a nations industry,etc.
They know and its part of why they hate Europe.
Rick Santorum, the man who came second in the Republican primaries with 255 votes, wanted to abolish schools.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...lic-schooling/
But while the state continued to maintain an education sysem at all, he wanted this system to be abused as a means to indoctrinate children in "creationism", teaching lies as science.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...lic-schooling/
So:
Education...no.
Lies and indoctrination at the taxpayer's expense...yes.

Todd Akin, former Republican congressman for Missouri's 2nd District and failed senatorial candidate in 2012, believed that women who were victims of "legitimate rape" (his words) wouldn't get pregnant because their bodies would refuse to ovulate. For this reason, abortion for rape victims could be denied; any woman who got pregnant obviously hadn't been raped, or else she wouldn't have got pregnant, so she must be lying in order to get an abortion. Hence the expression "legitimate rape". Todd Akin wasn't a wildcard; he had almost exactly the same voting record on abortion as Paul Ryan, and indeed these two co-sponsored an anti-abortion bill. Todd Akin was a mainstream Republican congressman who made the mistake for speaking truthfully and displaying his misogyny, ignorance and prejudice, which are typical of that concealed by many other Republicans in Congress, such as Paul Ryan. The Republican war on women is a reality.

Conservative Republicans frequently cite Christian belief as the basis for their policies and decisions. This is in plain defiance of the First Amendment. It is one thing to be religious and to live by the precepts of your faith; the 1st amendment defends the right of all Americans to do this. It is a totally different thing to impose the precepts of your faith on others who do not share your faith and who disagree with your religious opinions, as for example Rick Santorum in his attempts to require state schools to teach Creationism. This is fascist and should be punished; it steals the freedom of other citizens as underwritten in the 1st Amendment. Although we do not have a written constitution in the UK, we loathe and utterly despise god-botherers who seek elected office; we openly mocked Tony Blair for airing his Catholic beliefs and I remember grinning at Blair's discomfiture when the British press, not bothering to conceal the sneer in the question, asked him if he had prayed alongside President Bush on the occasion of Blair's first visit to 1600 Pennsylvannia Avenue. A politician should not blaspheme against God by professing to believe in Him; God is a private matter of personal belief about which the state and politicians should have absolutely nothing to say and should say absolutely nothing.

So yes indeed; we in Europe regard the Democrats, with their own God-Bothering tendencies, as deeply conservative, and the Republicans as profoundly reactionary, so much so that in some European countries they would fall foul of laws passed to prevent the re-emergence of Fascism.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:32 PM   #110
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Scoundrel's post #109 explains why, in spite of probably the most vulnerable sitting president since Gerald Ford, the Republicans were unable to reclaim the White House. They are badly out of touch with the electorate.
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