Beatles - Page 43

**chris chunt** · December 17th, 2017, 07:40 AM

I like both but the Stones piss all over the Beatles .
Let it bleed and Exile on Main St to name but two masterpieces that leave the Beatles wanting .

Jagger and Richards are the geniuses in popular music not Lennon and McCartney.

And they looked a lot cooler too

**tygrkhat40** · December 17th, 2017, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Quackerson

And the truth of the matter is that The Beatles weren't a great live act. In part because they stopped performing halfway through their recording career.

Quackerson, in previous posts in this thread, our late brother billybunter and I had a discussion on whether the Beatles were a good live band or not. If you listen to live Beatles recordings of the era, especially the Live at the BBC discs, they sound good. But you try playing Shea Stadium with equpment that was suited more for the Cavern Club. Of course you're gonna sound like crap, then add on the 35,000 screaming teenagers and you won't hear a damn thing. The Beatles stopped touring just as the equipment necessary to make arena and stadium shows possible. If they had toured in the post-Epstein years, who knows how things would have been.

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Originally Posted by chris chunt

Jagger and Richards are the geniuses in popular music not Lennon and McCartney.

Yet it was Lennon and McCartney who showed how Mick and Keith how to write songs. In the 2004 edition of Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time; the Beatles had 23 songs (21 by Lennon/McCartney) and the Stones had only 14. The highest ranked Beatles song was "Hey Jude" at #8, while the Stones just missed the top spot, placing "Satisfaction" at #2.

**bloke57** · December 17th, 2017, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tygrkhat40

...placing "Satisfaction" at #2.

But it's so boring. Just the same riff over and over. Wonder who was asked and doing the voting on that one?

**seany65** · December 18th, 2017, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bloke57

But it's so boring. Just the same riff over and over. Wonder who was asked and doing the voting on that one?

And Hey Jude was mostly "Na na na na na". So how did it get to No.8, a higher psotion than all their others when mot of them were less repetative?

**bloke57** · February 28th, 2018, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by seany65

And Hey Jude was mostly "Na na na na na". So how did it get to No.8, a higher psotion than all their others when mot of them were less repetative?

I have to agree - the "nas" go on that long, I believe, because they wanted to make the track longer than McArthur Park. I usually fade it.

But the main body of the song is great - and is, as far as I know, the only number one hit to feature the words "fucking hell" - cursed audibly by George Harrison at 2mins 58 seconds. Shows the Beatles love of studio verite!

**cginok** · February 28th, 2018, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by seany65

And Hey Jude was mostly "Na na na na na". So how did it get to No.8, a higher psotion than all their others when mot of them were less repetative?

Hey Jude always gets bumped up in ratings polls because it was their biggest hit, first Apple release, set records for longest stays at number one, longest time on the charts, etc etc. I do agree with Bloke57...the first few minutes of the song are great, but the "na, na, nas" went on way too long.

**Silklover** · May 6th, 2018, 12:21 PM

I´m reading the biography called Lennon, by Albert Goldman now. He was a big part of the Beatles, wasn´t he?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_John_Lennon
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1989...f-john-lennon/

**countjimmoriarty** · May 6th, 2018, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Silklover

I´m reading the biography called Lennon, by Albert Goldman now. He was a big part of the Beatles, wasn´t he?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_John_Lennon
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1989...f-john-lennon/

Disgusting hatchet job by a writer with issues and a huge chip on his shoulder.

**BigSwede** · May 6th, 2018, 03:42 PM

The biggest problem with The Beatles is that their fans doesn´t let anyone else have their own favourite bands.

**cginok** · May 6th, 2018, 04:37 PM

I would say no to Albert Goldman being a part of the Beatles in any way, big or small. I say that only because I've read dozens of books on the Beatles, as a group and post-group, and I'd never heard that name until now.

Maybe he knew Lennon post-Beatles, but it wouldn't have been more than a passing acquaintance.

I read the wikipedia link you provided for that book. The "Lennon got it on with Brian Epstein" story is decades old...first I read of it was in Peter Brown's book way back in the early 80s. If John was gay, or bi, Paul definitely would've known it...likely the other Beatles, Neil Aspinall and Mal Evans would've known as well. Not a peep from any of them about it ever. Having said that, Peter Brown was very very close to Epstein. If his claim of John and Brian hooking up on a vacation to Spain allegation is true, it would've had to have come from Brian's own mouth. Did it? We'll ultimately never know.

As for some of the rest. John was a bit of a bully, jerk, bigot, none of which is a secret. John used to go around Liverpool making fun of crippled war veterans, which there was no shortage of in post WWII Britain. John used to mock and make fun of mentally handicapped people, even doing it onstage...the video of him doing so is out there if you care to look it up. John would belittle people in their inner circle, people who couldn't respond or fight back because they knew they could get fired if they did, for no reason other than he could. John used to make anti-semitic/anti-gay remarks to, and about, Brian all the time, even to his face.

John was no saint I'm sorry to have to point out to all the Lennon lovers out there. If he came along today, with the changes in what society accepts as views/actions towards some groups, he would be pilloried for his actions.

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Silklover Vintage Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Next to you Posts: 1,253 Thanks: 17,262 Thanked 17,819 Times in 1,241 Posts	I´m reading the biography called Lennon, by Albert Goldman now. He was a big part of the Beatles, wasn´t he? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_John_Lennon http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1989...f-john-lennon/ Last edited by Silklover; May 6th, 2018 at 12:29 PM..

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chris chunt Vintage Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,805 Thanks: 7,946 Thanked 36,406 Times in 2,765 Posts	I like both but the Stones piss all over the Beatles . Let it bleed and Exile on Main St to name but two masterpieces that leave the Beatles wanting . Jagger and Richards are the geniuses in popular music not Lennon and McCartney. And they looked a lot cooler too

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cginok Vintage Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 603 Thanks: 61 Thanked 5,414 Times in 594 Posts	I would say no to Albert Goldman being a part of the Beatles in any way, big or small. I say that only because I've read dozens of books on the Beatles, as a group and post-group, and I'd never heard that name until now. Maybe he knew Lennon post-Beatles, but it wouldn't have been more than a passing acquaintance. I read the wikipedia link you provided for that book. The "Lennon got it on with Brian Epstein" story is decades old...first I read of it was in Peter Brown's book way back in the early 80s. If John was gay, or bi, Paul definitely would've known it...likely the other Beatles, Neil Aspinall and Mal Evans would've known as well. Not a peep from any of them about it ever. Having said that, Peter Brown was very very close to Epstein. If his claim of John and Brian hooking up on a vacation to Spain allegation is true, it would've had to have come from Brian's own mouth. Did it? We'll ultimately never know. As for some of the rest. John was a bit of a bully, jerk, bigot, none of which is a secret. John used to go around Liverpool making fun of crippled war veterans, which there was no shortage of in post WWII Britain. John used to mock and make fun of mentally handicapped people, even doing it onstage...the video of him doing so is out there if you care to look it up. John would belittle people in their inner circle, people who couldn't respond or fight back because they knew they could get fired if they did, for no reason other than he could. John used to make anti-semitic/anti-gay remarks to, and about, Brian all the time, even to his face. John was no saint I'm sorry to have to point out to all the Lennon lovers out there. If he came along today, with the changes in what society accepts as views/actions towards some groups, he would be pilloried for his actions.