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December 10th, 2018, 12:54 PM | #2631 | |
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His definition of Communism was people collaborating spontaneously together without requesting debts. That's why Marx philosophy is still taught all around the world in universities. That's all the problem between us together in our debate, you still do not want to undertand the definition of Communism. You report here what I learned too from the propaganda of your Capitalist government. "Greed is good." You claim that USSR was Communist, when they weren't. They were Socialist (state Capitalist). They tried to reach Communism (sponsored by Capitalist banks), they failed. Here I only asked: "How can we reach the Communist state." Nothing else. I even added some anti-tyrannic points in the 1936 USSR Constitution after debating with you. In comparison you indirectly let the door open to Trump, Bush Jr and his catastrophic war in Iraq with your arguments. You agree to let the power to these people. Why? |
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December 10th, 2018, 01:04 PM | #2632 | |
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His definition of Communism was people collaborating spontaneously together without requesting debts. That's why Marx philosophy is still taught all around the world in universities. That's all the problem between us together in our debate, you still do not want to undertand the definition of Communism. You report here what I learned too from the propaganda of your Capitalist government. "Greed is good." You claim that USSR was Communist, when they weren't. They were Socialist (state Capitalist). They tried to reach Communism (sponsored by Capitalist banks), they failed. Here I only asked: "How can we reach the Communist state." Nothing else. I even added some anti-tyrannic points in the 1936 USSR Constitution after debating with you. In comparison you indirectly let the door open to Trump, Bush Jr and his catastrophic war in Iraq with your arguments. You agree to let the power to these people. Why? Who spoke here to abort? Don't you know what mean anticonceptionnal tools? |
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December 10th, 2018, 01:08 PM | #2633 | |
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That's life in your "workers' paradise" No, to Marx the Communist Revolution was the destruction of bourgeois democracy and its replacement with a one party state. Which ends up enslaving everyone. He talked about the "emancipation of labor" -- it was a goal he had, in a vague way. The political model he advocated, however, created much worse conditions for labor. Tsar Alexander II of Russia freed the serfs, for example. In forcing agricultural labor onto collective farms -- an implementation of Marx's call for "industrial armies of agriculture" -- Stalin basically recreates serfdom. |
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December 10th, 2018, 01:10 PM | #2634 | |
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One barrel = 12 years of human work. Your economic model (CREATING NEW NEEDS) is unsunstainable and harmful. |
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December 10th, 2018, 01:16 PM | #2635 | |
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I certainly agree that a fossil fuel based economy is not environmentally sustainable-- but the answer to that isn't communism; communism obviously was intensely oriented to fossil fuels. The only solutions are to get beyond what is essentially a 19th century technology. As I've noted, where I live all our electricity is generated by dams and windpower-- we produce so much that we're big electricity exporters. That's obviously not possible everywhere, but we do have the technology to dramatically reduce fossil fuel consumption. That's politically hard -- see the riots on the streets of Paris-- but it is possible. |
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December 11th, 2018, 01:17 AM | #2636 | |
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December 11th, 2018, 05:00 AM | #2637 | |
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Sterilization occurred in many places-- reasonably recently among Australian aborigines. But China was unique in monitoring the reproductive status of women, and forcing them to have abortions if they'd already had a child as a population control measure. Advanced market democracies all reached zero population growth or very near it simply by improving quality of life: China achieved it through a national program of forced abortions. That's different. And its worse. |
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December 11th, 2018, 07:34 AM | #2638 | |
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Man has always created, he made stuff before there was money Far leftist fools like yourself say anything to discredit .......... It's the last time I type this here as am sick if this thread, Your ideas are outdated, hypocritical, proven failures in past and current forms ............... yet you continue to dream, I enjoy watching you waste your time trying to convince us Only reason I come here is to laugh at your ideas, nothing more
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December 11th, 2018, 07:41 PM | #2640 | |
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As a matter of policy, though, market democracies never looked to forced abortions to limit population size. Communist China did. And more importantly, market democracies achieved zero population growth by improving the conditions of women. Keeping girls in school, giving them opportunities-- I prefer that as a means of keeping births in check to posting women's menstrual calendars on Chinese factor walls (which I saw personally, years ago in China). |
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