Rodox film history questions

sierra9 · February 12th, 2006, 10:46 AM

Hello,
I have for sometime now been rather confused with regard to the history of the production of* films (loops) by CC. I hasten to add that I am not an expert so I would welcome anyone’s corrections as well as any comments on any of my assumptions.

As far as producing films in large quantities in the 70’s it would seem that CC were the dominant force and considering that they would not of had previous experience of others to use as a reference to replicate and improve on I think the production values and technical merit of their films is quite impressive.*
I am assuming (corrections anyone?) that at least a huge majority were originally filmed and sold in 8mm and then as time and technology progress were converted to various other formats.

Considering they were probably the dominant production company at least by way of the amount of commercial product produced I find it amazing that they seem not to have continued producing and hence carried that dominance over to what might be considered the video age.
It seems to me that (again I may stand to be corrected here) that they decreased or perhaps even ceased their film production output in the late 70’s or very early 80’s which is probably just before home video equipment became easily accessible and popular which was a huge revolution to the industry.

Does anyone know if this was due to a poor commercial decision made by CC or is there some other reason.
The theory of a poor commercial decision does not seem to make sense as surely even if in the early stages of the video age they decided not to participate as things progressed they would be able to recognise that video would become the dominant medium and then transfer their considerable production experience into this medium (similar to what Private did in the 90’s).
CC remained the dominant print producer throughout the 80’s and (with Private) in the 90’s and it would seem that the decision not to transfer their resources into the video medium cost them as in the early 2000’s the company had financial difficulties.

Again I reiterate that I find it confusing that such a dominant force in film production seemed to almost overnight (figuratively speaking) cease to exist and wonder what the reason for this maybe.

I would welcome your opinions, comments, corrections (especially) or even criticisms

Thank you

Regards

PS I believe that in the mid 80’s they did produce some limited video product which contained US performers leading me to deduce that they were produced in America. An example of this (as far as I can recall) is the Sex Orgy series of video tapes which usually featured about 6 of their old loops on each tapes and was introduced by Erica Boyer (from around the mid 80’s) dancing. This leads me to question if they did produce a large quantity of films in the 80’s which I am unaware of.*
Also there has certainly been a conversion of their original films to video tapes but what I am talking about is films that were originally produced in the video format.

**Xxphd** · February 12th, 2006, 12:26 PM

I read this on the egafd forum: "from start 2006 (expected) the CC films will be for sale (official) on DVD's starting with the Bestsellers series. -later CC, Exciting, Rodox.." Looks af if the old CCC stuff is still bankable..

**bardin** · November 1st, 2006, 09:31 PM

Well. I was around watching them on a regular basis (trips to amsterdam and paris) in the late 70's and 80's.

Originally they had a big share of the european market.Almost all the super-8 loops in the porno booths (a guy with a few projectors set up in those days and rooms where a bunch of you - 8- 12 people) could watch together!!!! - were ccc products or lasse braun.

There seemed to be a shift when video came along. They had a huge back catalogue to put on, and I remember my big disappointment when the 'Blue Climax' series came out in video -it was a mix of full feature films from america and france.

Inductive logic suggests that video killed the sexloop star - that the studio ceased to make independent productions when the wealth of material came in from videos elsewhere. It became too easy for others to produce product which satisfied trhe masses but not the collector/ expert - Lazyness, or commercial entropy -whatever...

The sad thing is that prior to that, Private had the best magazines in the world and CCC had the best films. After about 1981, CCC just had the best back catalogue. Now they just have nostalgia

sierra9 · November 14th, 2006, 05:24 AM

Thank you for your reply bardin.
I had'nt considered thatCC may have used "third party producers" for some of thier later video productions and had assumed that given thier size they would just produce all thier films themselves but from the limited amount I have seen of the later video series (BC ect) what you are saying makes sense. If my memory serves me correct I seem to recall seeing CC photosets from around the mid 80' from films which I thought were produced by other companies.

Regards

February 12th, 2006, 10:46 AM	#1
sierra9 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 22 Thanks: 95 Thanked 692 Times in 21 Posts	Rodox film history questions Hello, I have for sometime now been rather confused with regard to the history of the production of* films (loops) by CC. I hasten to add that I am not an expert so I would welcome anyone’s corrections as well as any comments on any of my assumptions. As far as producing films in large quantities in the 70’s it would seem that CC were the dominant force and considering that they would not of had previous experience of others to use as a reference to replicate and improve on I think the production values and technical merit of their films is quite impressive.* I am assuming (corrections anyone?) that at least a huge majority were originally filmed and sold in 8mm and then as time and technology progress were converted to various other formats. Considering they were probably the dominant production company at least by way of the amount of commercial product produced I find it amazing that they seem not to have continued producing and hence carried that dominance over to what might be considered the video age. It seems to me that (again I may stand to be corrected here) that they decreased or perhaps even ceased their film production output in the late 70’s or very early 80’s which is probably just before home video equipment became easily accessible and popular which was a huge revolution to the industry. Does anyone know if this was due to a poor commercial decision made by CC or is there some other reason. The theory of a poor commercial decision does not seem to make sense as surely even if in the early stages of the video age they decided not to participate as things progressed they would be able to recognise that video would become the dominant medium and then transfer their considerable production experience into this medium (similar to what Private did in the 90’s). CC remained the dominant print producer throughout the 80’s and (with Private) in the 90’s and it would seem that the decision not to transfer their resources into the video medium cost them as in the early 2000’s the company had financial difficulties. Again I reiterate that I find it confusing that such a dominant force in film production seemed to almost overnight (figuratively speaking) cease to exist and wonder what the reason for this maybe. I would welcome your opinions, comments, corrections (especially) or even criticisms Thank you Regards PS I believe that in the mid 80’s they did produce some limited video product which contained US performers leading me to deduce that they were produced in America. An example of this (as far as I can recall) is the Sex Orgy series of video tapes which usually featured about 6 of their old loops on each tapes and was introduced by Erica Boyer (from around the mid 80’s) dancing. This leads me to question if they did produce a large quantity of films in the 80’s which I am unaware of.* Also there has certainly been a conversion of their original films to video tapes but what I am talking about is films that were originally produced in the video format.

February 12th, 2006, 12:26 PM	#2
Xxphd R.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Gone But Not Forgotten Posts: 6,562 Thanks: 37,001 Thanked 77,419 Times in 5,393 Posts	Re: Rodox film history questions I read this on the egafd forum: "from start 2006 (expected) the CC films will be for sale (official) on DVD's starting with the Bestsellers series. -later CC, Exciting, Rodox.." Looks af if the old CCC stuff is still bankable.. __________________ We got to let love rule.

November 1st, 2006, 09:31 PM	#3
bardin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 83 Thanks: 31 Thanked 268 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Rodox film history questions Well. I was around watching them on a regular basis (trips to amsterdam and paris) in the late 70's and 80's. Originally they had a big share of the european market.Almost all the super-8 loops in the porno booths (a guy with a few projectors set up in those days and rooms where a bunch of you - 8- 12 people) could watch together!!!! - were ccc products or lasse braun. There seemed to be a shift when video came along. They had a huge back catalogue to put on, and I remember my big disappointment when the 'Blue Climax' series came out in video -it was a mix of full feature films from america and france. Inductive logic suggests that video killed the sexloop star - that the studio ceased to make independent productions when the wealth of material came in from videos elsewhere. It became too easy for others to produce product which satisfied trhe masses but not the collector/ expert - Lazyness, or commercial entropy -whatever... The sad thing is that prior to that, Private had the best magazines in the world and CCC had the best films. After about 1981, CCC just had the best back catalogue. Now they just have nostalgia

November 14th, 2006, 05:24 AM	#4
sierra9 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 22 Thanks: 95 Thanked 692 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Rodox film history questions Thank you for your reply bardin. I had'nt considered thatCC may have used "third party producers" for some of thier later video productions and had assumed that given thier size they would just produce all thier films themselves but from the limited amount I have seen of the later video series (BC ect) what you are saying makes sense. If my memory serves me correct I seem to recall seeing CC photosets from around the mid 80' from films which I thought were produced by other companies. Regards