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View Poll Results: Do you respect pornographers?
Yes 17 33.33%
No 20 39.22%
I'm conflicted about pornographers 14 27.45%
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Old 12-10-2013, 05:01 AM   #1
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I don't. I often see people on these forums expressing disdain for people who refer to pornstars as "whores" and "skanks." But that's what they are, right? I mean, even the porn industry uses these words to market their stuff.

I look at porn because I have a weakness for hot women posing naked. But I don't respect the men and women in porn at all. Pornographers often like to posture as freedom fighters, but in reality they're just spineless smut peddlers. That's why no pornographers would ever want to see their own sons and daughters go into the porn industry. They're basically parasites.

I see the porn industry as preying on my weakness, and me using pornographers as well. We use each other.

I would support pornography being outlawed. It's ultimately not good for people's health, mental or physical, to be looking at this stuff.

That said, I'm going to still look at pornography, because I have a weak will.
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Old 12-10-2013, 08:00 AM   #2
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A relevent extract from the VEF Forum Rules.

If a porn actress or model has entertained you, it is rank ingratitude to sit in judgment over her. I think, birchplow, that you might reflect on whether you are trying to have it both ways.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:57 PM   #3
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You bring up a very good point. It is certainly one of those conflicting things in life. I'm reminded of the line from Godfather Part II, when Michael Corleone reminds the senator that, "We are both part of the same hypocrisy."

I do believe that porn has caused a lot of problems for our society, and that it's really distorted and twisted our view on beauty and expectations of how we expect women to look. It's put extreme pressure on younger women, and there's no question that porn is affecting relationships in negative ways.

But, as scoundrel said above, and said so truthfully, yes I am trying to have it both ways. I'm a hypocrite and I totally admit it! I can sit back and articulate a thesis on how much I dislike porn's effect on society, and yet I download it, view it, and masturbate and get off to it constantly, just about every day.

I completely respect pornographers and I completely respect the models that do the work for them because I am personally benefiting and getting huge enjoyment out of it!

How on earth could I disrespect their work when I'm personally taking pleasure from it? For that part of the issue there is no ambiguity. I might recognize that porn causes problems, but I can't disrespect those who produce it, not when I'm getting off to it and consuming it! THAT would be arrogance of the highest order.
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It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it, and I am grateful for them. There is a lot of money to be made on male horniness, and despite anything you might read in the so-called mainstream media, the most popular websites world wide are all porn-related. I am an old, fat guy, so my chances of getting laid, especially by women I think are hot, are just about zero. So porn is what I have, and I love it unashamedly. No matter what you're into or what turns you on, as long as it's legal, can easily be found online. Some of the women are so beautiful we have pages on the forum now with titles like "Too Pretty for Porn?" and iothers. I've been looking at porn a long time and have fallen in total lust for women like Candie Evans, Samantha Strong, Stephanie Adams, KC Williams, Stacy Moran, Nikki Tyler, Jordan West, Lucie Theodorova, etc. They just keep coming, and I am grateful for it.
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How dare you respect them? They make us spend most of our time watching them
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A relevent extract from the VEF Forum Rules.

If a porn actress or model has entertained you, it is rank ingratitude to sit in judgment over her. I think, birchplow, that you might reflect on whether you are trying to have it both ways.
Why twist it to make people think I have something against female pornographers? I made it clear in the OP that I was addressing both genders working in the porn trade. I don't have any more respect for Ron Jeremy and John Holmes than I do for Seka and Lisa Deleeuw.

As for the rules you posted, I don't post disrespectful things about anyone here. However, this thread is intended to discuss why people don't respect pornographers, and not meant as a flame thread where we take turns trashing pornographers.

But it's pretty funny that there are such rules as the ones you posted, since a good percentage of the videos posted on this site have titles which include the following words: whore, trash, cunt, slut, cumbucket, bitch.

As for hypocrisy, I admit to it in the OP.
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But, as scoundrel said above, and said so truthfully, yes I am trying to have it both ways. I'm a hypocrite and I totally admit it! I can sit back and articulate a thesis on how much I dislike porn's effect on society, and yet I download it, view it, and masturbate and get off to it constantly, just about every day.

I completely respect pornographers and I completely respect the models that do the work for them because I am personally benefiting and getting huge enjoyment out of it!

How on earth could I disrespect their work when I'm personally taking pleasure from it? For that part of the issue there is no ambiguity. I might recognize that porn causes problems, but I can't disrespect those who produce it, not when I'm getting off to it and consuming it! THAT would be arrogance of the highest order.
That doesn't make much sense. I enjoy looking at porn as well, but I see no reason to respect someone that's trying to poison me, even if I enjoy the poison.

Would you support laws that sought to make porn illegal? I would. But I might still try to get some on the black market. But I would be glad if it was illegal.
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It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it, and I am grateful for them. There is a lot of money to be made on male horniness, and despite anything you might read in the so-called mainstream media, the most popular websites world wide are all porn-related. I am an old, fat guy, so my chances of getting laid, especially by women I think are hot, are just about zero. So porn is what I have, and I love it unashamedly. No matter what you're into or what turns you on, as long as it's legal, can easily be found online. Some of the women are so beautiful we have pages on the forum now with titles like "Too Pretty for Porn?" and iothers. I've been looking at porn a long time and have fallen in total lust for women like Candie Evans, Samantha Strong, Stephanie Adams, KC Williams, Stacy Moran, Nikki Tyler, Jordan West, Lucie Theodorova, etc. They just keep coming, and I am grateful for it.
Samantha Strong is one of my favorites. I wish she had done more pictorials.
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Btw, I indict myself when I say I don't respect pornographers, since I'm one myself. I suppose posting pics on a porn forum would qualify me as a pornographer.
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Btw, I indict myself when I say I don't respect pornographers, since I'm one myself. I suppose posting pics on a porn forum would qualify me as a pornographer.
No, you're not a pornographer. If you were, you'd be hiring models, paying them as little as possible, taking hundreds of pictures of them, and selling them to as many different websites, using as many different names for the girl, as possible. Since no one is paying for the stuff you post here, you're just providing a public service.
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