[solved NTF] Teresa (Gallery GND) - Another easy hay ride

[electile disfunction]

Another easy ID--who is this woman on hay bales, please?



She looks so familiar,
e.d.

[Rogerbh]

Isn't she a Gallery Girl next door - think she won "of the year" title in the 80's - ?

Teresa - Gallery GND November 1989 - GNDY 1990

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[Pepper II]

I've marked this solved since we do have a reference (thanks, Roger).

We really don't have a better place to discuss this so let's do it here. We've had requests before where the member already knew her GND name but wanted something better. As far as I know all these girls really were submitted amateurs. The question now open for discussion is does anyone know if there were ever ringers (i.e. professional models) appearing as a GND? If not then we should always mark these solved using the GND name.

[effCup]

Originally Posted by Pepper II

does anyone know if there were ever ringers (i.e. professional models) appearing as a GND? If not then we should always mark these solved using the GND name.

But that's not the only possible scenario. Another (& not necessarily the only other, either) is: a model starts as a GND but then progresses to a "professional" career--under an alternate/fuller name, that is.

We've seen here one model who was a GND who later made a small appearance in Playboy: Penny Lynn.

We've also seen here models featuring in both Gallery GND & Newlook (Fr).

I see nothing to suggest Gallery GND models couldn't have also appeared in pretty much any other skin/other type of mag., if they decided to. NB, I don't say they must have, I just see no reason to think they can't have.

I think there are:

a) mag. sets of clearly professional models, photog. by professional photogs.
b) mag. pics./sets of claimed amateur models, but photog. by professional photogs. To me they thereby seem to become professional models. That's the case regardless of whether they never modelled again, or modelled again heaps. For such models (& Gallery GND is an example of such) the claimed "amateur" status is at least partly if not wholly a sales-pitch/carrot, a supposed point of difference to entice interest. Yes, the test of professionalism is whether one was paid, but I suspect a professional photog. won't have become engaged if there was no financial return of some form on offer/available.
c) pics./small sets of seemingly amateur models, photog. by amateurs ("boyfriend", etc.). One tends never to see such models elsewhere again.

The boundaries between b) & c) can be more blurred than one might wish. Sometimes mags. re-feature a c) & perhaps thereby turn them into a b).

So: a c) is distinct from an a), but less clearly so from a b). And a b) is not necessarily so distinct from an a). It's just that it does not therefore follow that a c) is the same as an a) as they're not.

If this were set theory/logic then such induction, moving from c) to a) would apply, but it's not. I don't think the fuzzy gaps I've described above are simply imaginary. Edges are often fuzzy.

Professional modelling is not a guarantee of continuous work. We've seen here other models (not necessarily Gallery GND) who moved between:

entering modelling competitions (i.e. semi- or pseudo-"amateur")
occasional skin mag. work
occasional (non-skin mag.) advertising, swimsuit modelling, etc.
occasional/semi-full time "dancing"/stripping, etc.

Some may well have combined those with studying/other work.

[Rogerbh]

Noticed Anna Ventura, Michelle Bauer/Pia Snow and Vanessa D'Oro in the Gallery thread while I looked thru it - all under other names. Guess they had to live next door to someone. If they lived near me, surely I would have been arrested for peeping or hurt in some accident as I just stared at them.

[effCup]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

Noticed Anna Ventura, Michelle Bauer/Pia Snow and Vanessa D'Oro in the Gallery thread while I looked thru it

Yes, examples of what we'd call professional models. But I don't recall any of them ever being Gallery GND models, were they?

[Rogerbh]

I just noticed that some models I recognized. like Veronica Doll were called by their correct first names, others like Kirsten Imrie were given different names and said to be born in the US. I was thinking they were trying to make the models look like they lived in the US so that it was possible they could be "next door". Why else would they say Adele Stephens was born in the US instead of the UK? Didn't look to see if they were all called Girls Next Door. Probably not. The Michelle Bauer spread was in 1988, a boob job and years after she first appeared and she was under a different name. The guys posting in the Gallery thread were recognizing a lot more models than I could and giving other names.

Not a Gallery collector - do they have some sort of "of the Year" centerfold besides their GNDY title?

[effCup]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

Why else would they say Adele Stephens was born in the US instead of the UK?

Many mags. seemed to want to "naturalise" foreign models, not just Gallery. Look at all the continental European (or sometimes North American) models appearing in 1970s-80s Mayfair or similar UK mags. who were claimed to be UK-born, and given "plausible" (sometimes very im-plausible) UK-"sounding" names. Not all of them were so "naturalised", mind, but many were.

Likewise often UK/US models appearing in continental mags. were given continental-seeming names, etc. Look at the Czech/Hungarian/Polish "names" on e.g. US pornstars in some of those countries' 1990s mags., or the "English" names attached to some E. European models in UK/US mags. from that same "post-wall" era.

But this discussion was started with specific relation to the claimed/pseudo "amateur" competition in Gallery mag. called Girl Next Door.

Gallery was far from alone among mags. in seeming to invite perhaps-"amateur" model contributions/participation, or "new to modelling" models, in various guises. One can think of variations upon such themes from:

CIUK
Escort
Fiesta
Hustler
Knave
Men Only
... I'm probably forgetting heaps of others?

Mid-1990s Mayfair often would have a single pictorial labelled "Girl Next Door", or some were on "Mayfair debut", but these were still professional models, just usually early in their (perhaps/often short) career. Other models were on very regular/high rotate.

Fresh vs. familiar = swings vs. roundabouts?

[electile disfunction]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

Isn't she a Gallery Girl next door - think she won "of the year" title in the 80's - ?

Teresa - Gallery GND November 1989 - GNDY 1990

http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...postcount=3055

Post 284 http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t81...e-to-1997.html

Post 361 http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t81...e-to-1997.html

A few things:

1. Thank you, Rogerbh! Your ID & links were more than I had hoped for!

2. I must have seen her in a few places in Gallery and therefore thought Teresa was a model easy to identify. Oops.

3. I had no intention of creating a conversation about IDs and GND models. Please continue in this thread, though, as it is a needed converstaion and I have found interest in the topic.

Thank you all!
e.d.

[Pepper II]

Thanks for the responses so far. But the subject of known models appearing under various names is very common in magazines and is not the object of this discussion. To clarify Gallery magazine had a regular feature called "Girl Next Door" where amateurs were encouraged to submit nude photos of themselves. There was a cash prize for those selected for publication and the "Girl Next Door of the Year" was awarded a much larger cash prize and had a feature pictorial photographed by a professional.

It's these amateurs which are the topic of this discussion. The question remains: does anyone know of an instance where one of these purported amateurs was actually an already known model?