Do you respect pornographers?

[birchplow]

I don't. I often see people on these forums expressing disdain for people who refer to pornstars as "whores" and "skanks." But that's what they are, right? I mean, even the porn industry uses these words to market their stuff.

I look at porn because I have a weakness for hot women posing naked. But I don't respect the men and women in porn at all. Pornographers often like to posture as freedom fighters, but in reality they're just spineless smut peddlers. That's why no pornographers would ever want to see their own sons and daughters go into the porn industry. They're basically parasites.

I see the porn industry as preying on my weakness, and me using pornographers as well. We use each other.

I would support pornography being outlawed. It's ultimately not good for people's health, mental or physical, to be looking at this stuff.

That said, I'm going to still look at pornography, because I have a weak will.

[scoundrel]

Not allowed:

• being disrespectful
• insults
• rude or foul comments (on celebs, models, fellow members, etc.)

A relevent extract from the VEF Forum Rules.

If a porn actress or model has entertained you, it is rank ingratitude to sit in judgment over her. I think, birchplow, that you might reflect on whether you are trying to have it both ways.

[birchplow]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

A relevent extract from the VEF Forum Rules.

If a porn actress or model has entertained you, it is rank ingratitude to sit in judgment over her. I think, birchplow, that you might reflect on whether you are trying to have it both ways.

Why twist it to make people think I have something against female pornographers? I made it clear in the OP that I was addressing both genders working in the porn trade. I don't have any more respect for Ron Jeremy and John Holmes than I do for Seka and Lisa Deleeuw.

As for the rules you posted, I don't post disrespectful things about anyone here. However, this thread is intended to discuss why people don't respect pornographers, and not meant as a flame thread where we take turns trashing pornographers.

But it's pretty funny that there are such rules as the ones you posted, since a good percentage of the videos posted on this site have titles which include the following words: whore, trash, cunt, slut, cumbucket, bitch.

As for hypocrisy, I admit to it in the OP.

[Baranovich]

You bring up a very good point. It is certainly one of those conflicting things in life. I'm reminded of the line from Godfather Part II, when Michael Corleone reminds the senator that, "We are both part of the same hypocrisy."

I do believe that porn has caused a lot of problems for our society, and that it's really distorted and twisted our view on beauty and expectations of how we expect women to look. It's put extreme pressure on younger women, and there's no question that porn is affecting relationships in negative ways.

But, as scoundrel said above, and said so truthfully, yes I am trying to have it both ways. I'm a hypocrite and I totally admit it! I can sit back and articulate a thesis on how much I dislike porn's effect on society, and yet I download it, view it, and masturbate and get off to it constantly, just about every day.

I completely respect pornographers and I completely respect the models that do the work for them because I am personally benefiting and getting huge enjoyment out of it!

How on earth could I disrespect their work when I'm personally taking pleasure from it? For that part of the issue there is no ambiguity. I might recognize that porn causes problems, but I can't disrespect those who produce it, not when I'm getting off to it and consuming it! THAT would be arrogance of the highest order.

[bigtrain45]

It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it, and I am grateful for them. There is a lot of money to be made on male horniness, and despite anything you might read in the so-called mainstream media, the most popular websites world wide are all porn-related. I am an old, fat guy, so my chances of getting laid, especially by women I think are hot, are just about zero. So porn is what I have, and I love it unashamedly. No matter what you're into or what turns you on, as long as it's legal, can easily be found online. Some of the women are so beautiful we have pages on the forum now with titles like "Too Pretty for Porn?" and iothers. I've been looking at porn a long time and have fallen in total lust for women like Candie Evans, Samantha Strong, Stephanie Adams, KC Williams, Stacy Moran, Nikki Tyler, Jordan West, Lucie Theodorova, etc. They just keep coming, and I am grateful for it.

[birchplow]

Originally Posted by bigtrain45

It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it, and I am grateful for them. There is a lot of money to be made on male horniness, and despite anything you might read in the so-called mainstream media, the most popular websites world wide are all porn-related. I am an old, fat guy, so my chances of getting laid, especially by women I think are hot, are just about zero. So porn is what I have, and I love it unashamedly. No matter what you're into or what turns you on, as long as it's legal, can easily be found online. Some of the women are so beautiful we have pages on the forum now with titles like "Too Pretty for Porn?" and iothers. I've been looking at porn a long time and have fallen in total lust for women like Candie Evans, Samantha Strong, Stephanie Adams, KC Williams, Stacy Moran, Nikki Tyler, Jordan West, Lucie Theodorova, etc. They just keep coming, and I am grateful for it.

Samantha Strong is one of my favorites. I wish she had done more pictorials.

[birchplow]

Originally Posted by Baranovich

But, as scoundrel said above, and said so truthfully, yes I am trying to have it both ways. I'm a hypocrite and I totally admit it! I can sit back and articulate a thesis on how much I dislike porn's effect on society, and yet I download it, view it, and masturbate and get off to it constantly, just about every day.

I completely respect pornographers and I completely respect the models that do the work for them because I am personally benefiting and getting huge enjoyment out of it!

How on earth could I disrespect their work when I'm personally taking pleasure from it? For that part of the issue there is no ambiguity. I might recognize that porn causes problems, but I can't disrespect those who produce it, not when I'm getting off to it and consuming it! THAT would be arrogance of the highest order.

That doesn't make much sense. I enjoy looking at porn as well, but I see no reason to respect someone that's trying to poison me, even if I enjoy the poison.

Would you support laws that sought to make porn illegal? I would. But I might still try to get some on the black market. But I would be glad if it was illegal.

[Baranovich]

Originally Posted by birchplow

That doesn't make much sense. I enjoy looking at porn as well, but I see no reason to respect someone that's trying to poison me, even if I enjoy the poison.

Would you support laws that sought to make porn illegal? I would. But I might still try to get some on the black market. But I would be glad if it was illegal.

I think that we are defining and using the word "respect" in different ways.

I don't look at pornographers as poisoning me. I view it as we have a modern society in which we've taken a natural biological instinct, and choked it and twisted it with rules, conditions, criteria, judgement, status, etc. that make it harder for people to connect on any real level. Sex is as old as man itself. It is not a human want, it is a human NEED.

Pornography grew out of the mindset of making money, but also out of recognizing a need for an outlet for people's natural desires.

Now, because of technology allowing us, or compelling us to isolate from each other even more, pornography is becoming a piece of a socially isolated lifestyle which can become unhealthy if the solitary act of masturbating to porn takes precedence over actual social connections with real people. That goes for all things in life. A virtual hug obviously can't compare with the feeling and sense of belonging that an actual hug provides. Jerking off to a girl on your screen with perfect tits and makeup, while it can be very pleasurable, doesn't compare with all of the sensations of being with a real woman.

Here's where I think you and I diverge in our use of the word "respect".

Every single day, we all buy and consume things that we know are made in third world countries by people making pennies per hour and living in conditions so hopeless that most of us would kill ourselves if we had to endure working in that kind of hopelessness. Yet, that doesn't seem to stop anybody from buying PC's, cell phones, I Pads, coffee pots, DVD players, flat screen TV's. Out of sight, out of mind.

The same goes for food, clothing, you name it. We live in a world that by its very own paradigm is corrupt. We happen to be the lucky ones who are on the receiving end of it. Half the world lives in poverty so that the other half can live in prosperity. That's not an accidental condition. It is quite by design. Poverty doesn't happen, poverty is REQUIRED so that others can have affluence.

As the late, great comedian George Carlin said,

"Save the planet??? We haven't even learned how to take care of each other yet!"

Indeed. There's not much on this planet that isn't corrupt. I acknowledge that. The good old American way of life is in itself based on corruption and on the suffering of others. Anybody who doesn't recognize the truth of that is in denial in my opinion.

So in the end, no I don't disrespect pornographers. They are simply doing what we are all trying to do. Make money in a paradigm that requires money to survive. And they are tapping into the instinct of sex to make that money. Just as a fast food chain taps into the instinct of hunger to make money. Or any industry that taps into our instincts to compel us to buy their products.

I am simply saying that I acknowledge the corrupt paradigm I live in. I cannot judge others for what I too consume and embrace.

[dethtongue]

Respect pornographers?

More than some politicians or lobbyists.

I don't buy that its inherently destructive or negative although being widely grounded in western culture has added the churches influence of shame and guilt into the equation. Something even now we find hard to separate from the titillation or excitement naked boobies causes us.

I think degrading pornography is destructive, but I also think blaming it for a persons problems is a lot like blaming Judas Priest for teen suicide. You could argue just as strong a case ready instant access to vast amounts of pornography does a lot to keep people same and reasonably well adjusted.

[Mal Hombre]

Originally Posted by dethtongue

You could argue just as strong a case ready instant access to vast amounts of pornography does a lot to keep people same and reasonably well adjusted.

You wouldn't know it from viewing this forum sometimes...