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Old 08-12-2015, 11:35 PM   #11
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@Easterners: And while we're at it, let me tell you about how life in the '10s is different from life in the '80s in the U.S., just so you hear my perspective on how the country was and is. I will give a summary in the style of ponky, the guy above:

Culture is better. There is more racial diversity and gender equality, and more tolerance for LGBT people. Gay marriage and even polygamy is being debated in Congress. Young people are getting to be less arrogant, but also less prudish. Millennials can do things on smartphones and social media that I, a Generation X guy with Macintosh in the early '90s, am astounded by and I'm still not doing these yet.

Economy is worse, almost far worse since Great Recession of '08. Associate technical degrees are not saleable; U.S. companies are either arrogant about bachelor's degree, or have outsourced associate work to India for $5-$6 an hour (about half U.S. wages!) in graphic arts or web design, which I wanted to do in early '00s. Colleges cut aid, and many people don't get the money they need to finish bachelor's degree; I've struggled. On the plus side, the American website eBay (based in California) is still profitable and a source of quick cash for unwanted items. You can sell $300-$3000 in 6 weeks easily.

Politicians are mostly idiots, since Reagan left in '89. Bush Sr. worse than Reagan with economy, but negotiated peaceful end to Cold War '91. Clinton fixed economy. Bush Jr. damaged economy. Obama okay at best, but not good about job creation.

Cars are much better than in 1989. My first car was the '89 Chevrolet Corsica with air conditioning in early '90s, but weird audio system and fuel-inefficient compared to now. Chevrolet Cavalier even better by '04, but discontinued. Mazda 3 from 2011 is my car, but my father makes payments now that he's wealthier; it would cost $25,000 USD new, versus $10-$12 thousand for Corsica in 1989. Much better car, but expensive too. It is light-years ahead of the Yugo, the compact Yugoslavian car advertised for "$3990!" in the 1980s in America. ) But at least you could afford one with a stable job under your more socialistic system. Capitalism produces quality cars, sometimes affordable, but jobs are chaotic these days. ["It's very unstable", said my socialist-leaning professor who was of Polish descent and critical of laissez-faire capitalism like Ayn Rand's ideas.]

So I hope that ponky is not a hardcore Marxist and will appreciate my interest in the people and nations of the former Soviet Bloc. But life is not always great, even in the United States.

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Old 08-13-2015, 11:52 AM   #12
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Having many friends from that part of the world, Russians from the former Baltic States most left because of some discomfort living in those countries and for economic reasons.

Most would like to return to the motherland so to speak if they could and they all still feel a deep sense of patriotism although a couple are really blind followers of Putin most were not really happy with him on domestic issues they are behind him on the issues of eastern Ukraine.

And having numerous Polish friends there is a whole range of opinions. A few do dislike Russia but the vast majority are either neutral and some do see Russia as a fellow Slavic nation though they all dislike Putin many are fearful of the EU and NATO and neither positive towards America.

As you know the history between the two is rather fractious ie the sacking of Moscow, the Kosziuszko uprising, Katyn etc but they hope for better relations. A small minority are real Russophiles namely the older ones and they can also speak Russian too.

Most lament some of the social changes with reference to social care systems and also the huge amounts of endemic corruption. They also dislike Donald Tusk who they see as an American stooge.
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The break-up of USSR and Eastern Bloc brought unimaginable change. Some changes were good, but many brought diabolical disruption -- anyone who lived in Yeltsin's Russia knows what I mean

On the positive side, more freedom is good, more availability of consumer goods is greatly appreciated especially of labor-saving devices & autos (if you can afford them), also of basic things like building materials

On the negative side, some Republics experienced civil wars and dictatorships, and still do. Also interference from alien powers. See Central Asia & Caucasus for examples (let's not mention Ukraine)

On the in-between side, I agree with laws limiting freedom of speech. It's good to allow criticism of politicians, but I'm glad the disgraceful Pussy Rot went to prison. I'm also glad homosexuals can't advertize in the presence of minors. But I know some who disagree
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On the positive side,.............., more availability of consumer goods is greatly appreciated
Apart from this



That was trading one evil for another
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That was trading one evil for another
hehehe!

A lot of this consumption stuff is real trash, hard to disagree. But I don't have an answer. Unless we find a way to forbid it. I heard the Chinese moved all McJunk joints to backstreets. Maybe they're better at managing this
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I've the answer for ya Mate
This coming from a greedy little Capitalist also

Get all McDonalds franchise owners in Russia and throw em' in a Gulag
And in true Soviet spirit, then throw in their families, pets, employees and so on

Hell, I'll help That's how much I hate McD's
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And in true Soviet spirit, then throw in their families, pets, employees and so on
Gulags were dismantled in the 1950s, my friend

Western education!!
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Gulags were dismantled in the 1950s, my friend

Western education!!
Well, be a Capitalist, raise some money and build some new ones with old values



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About the Moscow McDonald's thing:

"Those people stood in line to get into a McDonald's, but we [Americans] wouldn't stand in line to burn one down..." -- attributed to a Libertarian Party candidate for Congress
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But I have to admit that the lifting of censorship, the young people with their "priorities of free speech and free sex", and especially the Internet of the 2000s, has brought my life to the point that I can see natural wonders of Russia like this:

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