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April 3rd, 2015, 10:34 PM | #501 |
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History shmistory these Islamic extremists are the ones gunning for us now. That's what we're dealing with. Last edited by BondJmsBond; April 3rd, 2015 at 10:47 PM.. |
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Saudia Arabia as a matter of law has the punishment for apostasy as death. That is not the law in Israel, nor in any Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, or Shinto nation. Its uniquely Muslim As I noted, Deuteronomy certainly says some ferocious things-- none of which have been enforced since approximately 30 AD (when its was decided that life and death were matters for God to decide). I would fully concur that to have worshiped "false idols" in 100 BC Palestine might have brought down a punishment . . . but that was two thousand years ago. Not a problem today, yesterday, or tomorrow. Real simple. You don't have to believe me-- try the Library of Congress' white paper on the issue, which I referenced previously. Its here: http://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/index.php In part: Quote:
Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen Indeed, Afghanistan was only narrowly prevented from executing someone for this, for the "crime" of converting to Christianity. See "Afghanistan: HRW Still Concerned About Apostasy Law" for details http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1067197.html And although Iran decided not to make apostasy a crime in the criminal code, they still execute people for it-- indeed, that's what the fatwa against Rushdie is about Here's the official Iranian news agency's comment on the 25th anniversary of the fatwa Quote:
http://www.iranhrdc.org/english/publ...c-of-iran.html Note-- Iran and Saudi Arabia are about as different as they can be in their understanding of Islamic belief; they follow different traditions, different scholars, but the Iranians are every bit as bloody minded about ridda So you can't logically attribute this to "only a saudi wahabi disposition that insists on this" as you do, since the Iranians are as far from Saudi and Wahhabism as its possible to be. Only in the Muslim world do heads of State condemn people to death for apostasy-- and its hardly just Saudis, nor just Wahhabis, nor just Sunnis. Indeed, far from receding into a long ago more brutal history, more Muslim states are explicitly adopting this policy. Take Malaysia, for example, which has such a measure before the Kelantan State Assembly as I write: Quote:
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You're far more likely in the US to be killed by a fellow disgruntled fellow American than a terrorist and if by a terrorist then a home grown Soveriegnist and not someone from ISIS etc.
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I am not entirely sure why we go to such efforts to arrest/punish people for going to join ISIS etc. Just as long as it is clear that they can never come back. |
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You are talking about one stupid preacher and his poorly led "flock". His idea(s) are NOT embraced by the Baptist's nor as far as I know any other "Christian" sect. The Islamist laws and actions are embraced by the religious leaders with support from the "state" (?). This makes it a totally different scenario, IMO.
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How about in Kenya? or Nigeria? or several other places......or don't they matter?
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I feel that you're just out to pick a fight and in actual fact are doing nothing more than picking on a subdivision of society that are already demonised unfairly. It also goes against the spirit of the board, where next, shall we pick on jews, or lets really shout bingo and go for "black people: Am I wrong?", it really is a kind of shameful racism based on small minded naive hatred of a religion and not on fact, don't kid yourself that it is. |
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