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Old 01-27-2017, 03:18 AM   #1321
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Despite being now gainfully employed, I have yet to take the plung on a new Windows 10 computer. Bucking current trends, I would be more interested in buying a desktop instead of a laptop or a tablet. I was able to maintain and upgrade my last desktop for nearly ten years, whereas I have had three laptops in the same span of time.

I'm still not sold on the features in Windows 10 or Windows 10 Professional. My wife's job gave her a new Dell laptop with Windows 10 Education Edition. To be blunt, if I could get a licensed copy of the Education Edition I would look upon Windows 10 more favorably.

Apparently I am not the only one who has hesitated to take the plunge. As I stated last year Windows 8.x users seems happy to move on, but Windows 7 users are still resisting. Despite three different sources of data quoted in the following article by ZDnet's Ed Bott, all three have the Windows 7 install base still around 50%. The "free" upgrade, the "accidental" updates, and the release of the Windows 10 Anniversary Edition have not given Windows 10 the market dominance our friends in Redmond hoped for.


Windows 10 versus Windows 7: Whose numbers do you trust?

Are users really in love with Windows 7? Or are they clinging to old habits as Windows 10 rolls out? Three popular data sources offer very different answers. Regardless of which one you choose, take that data with a heaping helping of salt.

By Ed Bott for The Ed Bott Report
January 25, 2017 -- 12:00 GMT (04:00 PST)

Long-term shifts in the installed base for Windows PCs are nothing new. For decades, businesses have been dealing with the logistics and the costs of migrating from one Windows version to another.

As my colleague Steve Ranger noted earlier this week, the shift to Windows 10 is following that familiar pattern, with the current corporate standard OS, Windows 7, hanging on tenaciously.

I've been following the same transition, and my view of how it's playing out differs a bit from Steve's. Part of the difference of opinion is just a matter of interpretation, of course, but a larger part comes from the data itself.

His analysis was based on numbers from Net Applications (aka NetMarketShare). I find that data source extremely problematic.

I first wrote about the problems with this data three years ago (see Net Market Share vs. StatCounter: Whose online measurements can you trust?). A fresh look at current data reveals that those problems still exist.

For this post, I've assembled the latest usage figures from NetMarketShare and from two other highly regarded sources that release similar data. The first is StatCounter Global Stats. The second is the US government's Digital Analytics program, which I've written about previously (November 2015, February 2016, and June 2016).

The following series of tables offer a summary of Windows usage worldwide over the second half of 2016. (Note that for the sake of apples-to-apples comparisons, I have normalized the StatCounter numbers so that they represent the same population of Windows PCs as the other two data sources.)


Three data sources, three very different views of the Windows installed base.

A few obvious conclusions leap off the chart.

First, Windows 7 and Windows 10 completely dominate PC usage, accounting collectively for 72.7 percent to 88.9 percent of visits from the installed base. That's a pretty wide range, though, which I'll get into in a moment.

Second, about half of the installed base continues to use Windows 7, with all three data sources pegging the number within a couple points of 50 percent.

Windows 8.x usage is steadily shrinking, and all three sources agree that only the most determined of dead-enders (roughly 1 percent) still use Windows Vista, whose end-of-support date is less than 90 days away.

Finally, Windows 10 usage has increased since the one-year free upgrade offer ended in July 2016. Converted to an annualized rate, Windows 10 usage grew by somewhere between 8 percent and 12.5 percent per year. Again, that's a pretty big spread.

Where the three sources diverge most dramatically is in their measurement of how many people are still using Windows XP, which has been unsupported for nearly three years. NetMarket Share says a staggering 9.1 percent of its visitors use XP, while DAP shows XP usage down near Vista levels, under 2 percent.

So, who do you believe? Start by looking carefully at where the data comes from.

DAP is a measurement of actual visits to US government websites. Roughly 95 percent of the traffic comes from outside the government, and 20 percent or so of that is from outside the US. The sites themselves are a broad mix of consumer-focused information (NASA pictures, National Weather Service forecasts, tax forms, and so on) and sites for business users.

StatCounter and NetMarketShare, by contrast, report only aggregate numbers and not actual numbers of visits. The analytics are targeted to commercial, ad-supported websites.

As I noted in my earlier article, there's a crucial difference in how the two companies measure traffic. NetMarketShare attempts to measure daily unique users, while StatCounter measures total traffic. If you visit a single page in the NetMarketShare network, you're counted, and then your visits to any other page on any other site in the network are (in theory) ignored for the rest of the day.

In addition, NetMarketShare weights the data by country, whereas StatCounter doesn't.

All three sources count billions of visits per year, so sample size isn't a problem.

Those methodological details offer one highly plausible explanation for why XP usage appears to be so much higher on NetMarketShare (and to a lesser extent on StatCounter) than on the DAP numbers.

In a word: botnets.

When I've spoken to representatives of both analytics firms in the past, they've acknowledged that, like all companies in the online advertising business, they're engaged in a constant battle with scammers and crooks trying to game the system for ad dollars. Because the sites in the DAP network are all government-funded and not ad-supported, there's no incentive for botnets to try to rig the traffic stats.

For NetMarketShare in particular, I'm highly skeptical of the wild gyrations in each category from month to month. Is it really believable that usage of Windows 7 worldwide plunged by a full percentage point from October to November, representing 15 million PCs, and then climbed by an equal amount the following month?

That result strains credibility to the breaking point, especially when compared to what you would expect as Windows 7 machines slowly retire from the installed base and are replaced by newer machines running Windows 10. And if you look at the actual traffic from DAP and StatCounter, that's exactly what you see, a steady but small decline in Windows 7 usage month over month.

StatCounter has an additional problem with its data -- one that isn't visible in the charts here. Over the last six months of 2016, a staggeringly high number of visitors were counted as Unknown. For the first four months of that period, the Unknown category was 5.9 percent of all visitors. StatCounter acknowledged that that was a problem and the number has since dropped, but it's still at a couple percentage points and makes me suspicious of who those visitors are and what OS they're running.

The DAP data is the most transparent of all but has its own problem when one tries to compare it to worldwide measurements. It tends to over count US visitors relative to those in the rest of the world, and it skews in favor of a wealthier demographic of business owners and people who can afford to travel and do business internationally.

Microsoft, of course, could help resolve some of this confusion by releasing an updated count of monthly active users of Windows 10. The last report, more than four months ago, pegged that number at 400 million, which would have been between 25 and 30 percent of the installed base of 1.5 billion Windows PCs.

Today, I suspect that the Windows 10 installed base has grown to roughly a third of PCs in use worldwide, which would put the base of monthly active users at 500 million. (I'm hoping Microsoft will update that number next month when it announces availability dates for the Windows 10 Creators Update.)

And then there's the question of those stubborn Windows 7 users. I suspect most of them are holding on to this aging but still serviceable OS because they understand how to manage it and don't have to deal with the update headaches of Windows as a Service.

This year will be especially crucial when measuring whether Microsoft can successfully avoid another XP-style support crisis. If the population of Windows 7 users is still hovering in the 40-percent range at the end of 2017, that's a sign of a significant problem on the horizon.
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:24 PM   #1322
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Despite being now gainfully employed, I have yet to take the plung on a new Windows 10 computer. Bucking current trends, I would be more interested in buying a desktop instead of a laptop or a tablet. I was able to maintain and upgrade my last desktop for nearly ten years, whereas I have had three laptops in the same span of time.

I'm still not sold on the features in Windows 10 or Windows 10 Professional. My wife's job gave her a new Dell laptop with Windows 10 Education Edition. To be blunt, if I could get a licensed copy of the Education Edition I would look upon Windows 10 more favorably.

Having dabbled with Windows 10 once programs are running I have found it similar to Windows 7 to use. If I wanted to continue with it but couldn't get used to the menus I could try alternatives.

However I just don't trust Microsoft and how much they can glean about my usage and data. Even when all the tracking options are turned off I'm still skeptical plus after at least major updates they can get turned on again.

A month or so ago I loaded a spare laptop ( nothing fancy Core2Duo 2GHz / 3GB RAM ) with a few different versions of Linux to try. Currently Mint Cinnamon which is what I'm using right now.

I prefer Firefox to Opera and will not use actual Chrome as I wonder how much tracking Google can do. I'm using the Hoxx VPN add-in for now but really ought to get a proper VPN e.g. Nord.

Day to day so far I'm not missing Windows. A few programs need it e.g. my camcorder editor but I can do that off-line.

Unless you constantly need a Windows based program maybe try Linux - you too might like it .....

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Old 01-29-2017, 05:07 AM   #1323
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I was running a dual boot Vista/Linux laptop until it crashed and burned.

Now that I have "retired" from my IT career, I am less wed to Microsoft than ever before. I have used Open Office and actually prefer it to the current incarnation of Word. Sorry, but when they went to the "ribbon" interface Word became a little too clumsy for me.

Probably the only app that I can't get away from is Adobe Photoshop/Photoshop Elements. I've been active in photography for about 45 years, the last ten in digital media (not exclusively though). I have tried GIMP as a photo editor, but I'm not wild about it.

I have been running VLC Media Player on my Windows and Android devices. I've had more success porting playlists from Windows Media Player to VLC than from WMP to Windows Music/Groove. So stupid of Microsoft to have done this!

Still, if I buy a new desktop I would not rule out a dual boot configuration as I assess both Windows 10 and the current flavors of Linux for myself.
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This does not concern Windows 10 a priori but it is sufficiently important to be mentionned.

ARMONK, N.Y. 08 Mar 2017:
IBM today announced it has created the world's smallest magnet using a single atom – and stored one bit of data on it.

Currently, hard disk drives use about 100,000 atoms to store a single bit.

The ability to read and write one bit on one atom creates new possibilities for developing significantly smaller and denser storage devices, that could someday, for example, enable storing the entire iTunes library of 35 million songs on a device the size of a credit card.


A view from IBM Research's Nobel prize-winning microscope of a single atom of Holmium, an element used as a magnet to store one bit of data. Photo credit: IBM Research - Almaden (San Jose, Calif.)

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I haven't posted in this thread in quite a while...
*update*
I've actually dug my old Windows 7 pc out of the closet, took it apart, cleaned it up, and started using it again. Took a long time to apply the years of updates! But it sure showed me what junk 8 is. Still not interested whatsoever in 10!
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However I just don't trust Microsoft and how much they can glean about my usage and data. Even when all the tracking options are turned off I'm still skeptical plus after at least major updates they can get turned on again.....
Let's face it...the spooks are collecting everything about us.
Just try to stay lost in the noise!
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Let's face it...the spooks are collecting everything about us.
Just try to stay lost in the noise!
You are quite right.

I recently had to help a friend with his notebook. It was a good HP under Windows 7.
The machine was anomally slow.
I ran a tool I had downloaded from Kasperski and you know what ?
It was running slowly at the beginning and at the end because of junk there was in Internet Explorer which my friend does not use.
At start-up Internet Explorer connected very discreetly with a website to send data, and so wasted time.
It did the same when shutting-up.
I think this is very disloyal from Microsoft.
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...I recently had to help a friend with his notebook....
Reminds me of this crap:
Lenovo “Superfish” controversy
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Let's face it...the spooks are collecting everything about us.
Yes, we can call them spooks (I mean Microsoft's).

It made me furious when I noticed that they collect data under Windows 10, but also with other machines that are not under W10.

The machine I talked about previously is under Windows 7 Pro with SP 2.
I am trying to figure a way to improve speediness on it.
When I start it up lots of data are sent to Microsoft: I saw it on my machine (I have a tool on my machine for analysing data sent or received on the Net).
When I shut it up it is the same.
As a result you must wait numerous seconds.

One solution would be to block data being sent to the particular website but Microsoft certainly took precautions for this.
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I think this is very disloyal from Microsoft.
Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. - they're all as bad as each other when it comes to surreptitiously gathering user data. I'm sure it's always buried deep in the Terms & Conditions in complex terminology, but no one ever reads the T&C's before clicking the "Accept" box when signing up.
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