Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[palo5]

Originally Posted by vinceprince

I suppose that would mean there is at least some sort of plan, it's just very well disguised.

All I see is confusion and cock-up not conspiracy.

Yes, something like that

UK to EU: "Give me what I want, or I'll shoot myself in the foot"

No wonder the rest of the world rolls its eyes, when it bothers to notice

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by palo5

Yes, something like that

UK to EU: "Give me what I want, or I'll shoot myself in the foot"

No wonder the rest of the world rolls its eyes, when it bothers to notice

Or in the words of Violet Elizabeth Bott:

...or I'll scream and scream and scream until I'm sick!

But actually Britain is pursuing a rational strategic aim, even if the minions of the people to whom action has been delegated are not particularly people whom we would prefer to have running a hot dog stand. Incidentally, Britain can shoot the EU in the foot and in several much more painful places if that is what it comes to. It is not intelligent to state, in the words of Martin Selmayr [future EU Commission president]:

Brexit can never be a success, of course, because it is a sad and sorry event.

This is wrong thinking. Irrespective of whether or not you agree with the decision of Great Britain to leave the EU that decision is made. The intelligent approach is to want to implement it with skill and care and with the objective of making the new situation work well for all people involved, which means EU citizens as well as UK citizens. Mr Selmayr has a duty of care to EU citizens and this should not mean wanting the forthcoming separation to be damaging just to prove a point which has been lost anyway.

We can go down the eye-gouging, scratching and biting road if that's preferable. Or we can work hard to achieve mutually beneficial outcomes.

[jacques22]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

Can anyone cite any post by Oswald in which the words "Jewish conspiracy" were mentioned in any context at all? He and I are not on the same page in all sorts of areas, and as I have previously said I rather like George Soros, even if he did support Remain. But people are allowed to criticise George Soros without it having to be an antisemitism thing. He has chosen to participate in the political life of Great Britain and IMHO this means that he is fair game.

It's funny how you try to frame that discussion on anti-semitism (i.e. Oswald didn't use the words 'Jewish conspiracy', so there's no anti-semitism).

As you said, context is important.
Criticizing Soros for Black Wednesday in 1992 is OK because he played an important role in it. Although people should be aware that it was the British government that made the mistake of tying the British Pound to European currencies via the European Exchange Rate Mechanism at a time when the economic conditions were not right (hight inflation and high interest rates in the UK). Then the Major government made another mistake in its monetary policy by stubbornly refusing to devalue the Pound until it was too late.
But seeing the hand of Soros behind the appointment of May and the opposition to Brexit is just ludicrous. Posts #3595 and #3596 clearly promote the idea of a Jewish conspiracy.

Originally Posted by Oswald

This is the sole purpose of her being appointed PM by the Soros-funded globalists.

I thought it was millions of British citizens who voted for May. And to my knowledge, Soros made no donation to May or the Tory party.

Originally Posted by Oswald

After extensive and exhaustive research is was discovered that Russian intervention in Brexit was to the value of 72p.

Meanwhile, arch-globalist and anti-Nation billionaire George Soros has blatantly and unashamedly attempted to interfere with the outcome of a democratic election to the tune of £400,000 with another £100,000 available.

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...acy-etheridge/

So a single donation to 'Best for Britain' could put an end to Brexit, seriously?
There are at least dozens of factors more important than this donation that could jeopardize Brexit: the Irish border, the DUP, the Tory hardliners (Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Davis, Gove), proposals from the Labour party, the EU's negotiating stance, MPs having a say on the Brexit deal, Scotland, the timetable, the UK economy, Gibraltar, the May government backpedalling on the divorce bill, any disagreement during the negotiations (on services, fishing rights, expats and the ECJ), etc...

[Mr 1980s]

While I don't think May is a traitor I do think she is not the riht leader for us durin brexit, she was a remainer, and I still think she is at heart and to that end will accept any shitty deal the EU throws our way.

I may be wron on this, but I think we'd be better off if someone with a bit of steel in their backbones were leadin us like ove, Reese-Mo, or ever Farae. they wouldn't put up with half this shit!

On a side note, it would seem that my F- -H key has stopped workin. :P

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by ********

So I'll ask you again. Are you willing to compromise at all to have a Brexit that is acceptable to everyone, which doesn't screw half of us and benefits the country as a whole?

As you yourself have already accepted and everyone here knows the country is divided so there cannot and will not be a deal that is acceptable to everyone. It's pure fantasy politics.

We have already said that any agreements reached through negotiations will be based on compromises and we accept we may not get all we personally want but that is not good enough for you. Your continuing to ask such bland pointless questions is totally irrelevant as you just want to wind the clock back to before the referendum.

[Blue126]

Everyone had fair notice of this election. The trouble is they all thought the coffee supping brigade would win, but the people who are fighting to put a roof over their heads and get decent jobs, with a decent pay raise , would be bought for cheap holidays?

We now have no affordable buildings, we retire later, we have no NHS...WTF.

Someone has to smell the coffee and soon!

Funny, company's have no money to spend on training existing staff, but hell they get tons of cash to train staff to speak english!

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by ********

The NHS is getting worse because it can't get enough staff from the EU any more .

Since when do we have to get staff from within the EU?
If the NHS has particularly bad staff shortages in certain areas, which they do then ....
1 - HMG should target those areas and offer more training.
2 - We have the whole world to choose candidates from, not just the EU

Let's not forget the amount of Asian and African NHS staff we have who do a fantastic job,

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by ********

I am willing to accept a compromise, if it is a genuine one that accounts for the views of the 48% who voted against Brexit, and the promises made by Brexiteers during the campaign.

What I am asking is if we can ever agree on what we want. We are doing so badly at the negotiations because everyone is pulling in a different direction. If we could, say, agree to leave the EU but stay in the single market I think we could get a reasonable deal. But can you accept that?

I am not sure how this would answer the usual meanings of the word "leave". It would mean being fully subservient to all the membership rules of the EU without having any say whatsoever in those rules, and we have already suffered much too much of being told what to do. This model of half-in-half-out is silly and would be the worst of all possible worlds. I would rather dynamite the Channel Tunnel than agree to this.

[seany65]

Originally Posted by ********

I am willing to accept a compromise, if it is a genuine one that accounts for the views of the 48% who voted against Brexit, and the promises made by Brexiteers during the campaign.

What I am asking is if we can ever agree on what we want. We are doing so badly at the negotiations because everyone is pulling in a different direction. If we could, say, agree to leave the EU but stay in the single market I think we could get a reasonable deal. But can you accept that?

How do you know we are doing so badly at the negotiations? Because the EU officials keep saying we are? Because the press that is owned by rich remainers says we are? Because every remainer who gets to speak in public says we?

Is it possible that the "NHS can't get enough staff from the EU anymore" because uncontrolled immigration from the EU is letting in a far higher number of people who are not qualified to work in the NHS than the number of people who are qualified to work in the NHS, and so the number of staff it gets is always less than that needed to look after the ever-increasing population?

[palo5]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

I am not sure how this would answer the usual meanings of the word "leave". It would mean being fully subservient to all the membership rules of the EU without having any say whatsoever in those rules, and we have already suffered much too much of being told what to do. This model of half-in-half-out is silly and would be the worst of all possible worlds

Well, you put yourself in that position, not anyone else

I would rather dynamite the Channel Tunnel than agree to this

You mean "Do what I say or I'll shoot myself in the foot". That's what some of the negotiations have sounded like