Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[seany65]

If any Brits are interested, I've just started a petition to get the Brit Govt to refuse to consider the 2nd referendum petition. It needs 5 other people to support it, so if you are inclined to do so let me know and I'll email you the link. Apparently I have to do it that way.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by penfold007

Now, the Conservative party is split on Europe as everyone knows. There is no guarantee that the next leader they elect will want to leave the EU. If they also do not trigger article 50, then what happens?

Well that is an interesting question, innit?

Hadn't thought about it.

Article 50 says

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention.

Has the UK "notified" the European Council of its intention? Seems not to have done, as of yet.

What if it never proffers that notification?

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Is a good question . . . one might add, why not invite the Greeks to come work in Germany?

Greece's youth unemployment rate is apparently %51 ! That's a lot of people already in Europe who could use a job.

Instead, "Europe" seems to mean that you turn the screws on Greece, and welcome Afghans.

Doesn't make a lot of sense.

They must not being invited, they came in thousands to Germany, Switzerland and Austria. No EU citizen must be invited to work at any other place in Europe.

Meanwhile the most are Spaniards and Italians at home again, as it worked better for them. Of course they let themselves better integrate than any -mostly uneducated- Muslims from North Africa or West Asia.

I know of a bigger movement from Greece to Australia.

Why Merkle called this "Bazar" with refugees for opened, only Merkle does know alone. I think many Germans (so do I !) are very unhappy (to say it in more friendly words) about this situation. It cost an enormous amount of money from the tax payer to housing 1.5 Mill. refugees.

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

"guaranteed attributes" , the "contractual base" of the Scottish referendum

I was in Scotland and indeed voted [NO] in the 2014 referendum - no one that I recall used the phrases you have put in quotation marks.

WHo are you quoting?

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

I was in Scotland and indeed voted [NO] in the 2014 referendum - no one that I recall used the phrases you have put in quotation marks.

WHo are you quoting?

Those phrases are the basics of any "nation of law".

One can't change the "contractual base" of a referendum for example or simply a business, and saying afterwards "April, April" it wasn't meant like this.

[SanteeFats]

I have read a rumor that the UK members of VEF are now going to vote to Leave or stay here. Tell me it ain't so Mommy.

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

Those phrases are the basics of any "nation of law".

One can't change the "contractual base" of a referendum for example or simply a business, and saying afterwards "April, April" it wasn't meant like this.

"Nation Of Law"???

We've got laws in Britain going further back than Magna Carta - I myself studied Scots law for a year at university.

There was nothing in the legislation which set up the 2014 Scottish Referendum stating that the SNP would be allowed to call another if circumstances changed .

The SNP leaders themselves said that it was a once in a generation event. They lost by a significant margin.

Sturgeon may think she can call another referendum but the Parliament can deny her desires .

[chris chunt]

The remain campaigners are suffering from some sort of Stockholm syndrome I think .
They identify more with those that have took them captive and will eventually do them harm .

For example

Continue to hand 350 mill a week to an organisation that's never been audited and is obviously corrupt .....
Stockholm syndrome .

Hand your laws and views on fair play to foreigners who don't have your best interest at heart and even though they call themselves the supreme court aren't always legally trained ....
Stockholm syndrome .

Welcome yet more free movement of labour even though it drives down wages and increases the strain on public services and sends the cost of housing spiraling out of control .......like housing to buy or rent wasn't eye wateringly expensive enuff ......
Stockholm syndrome .

Spit in the face of those that eventually free you .....
Stockholm syndrome .

Could anyone from the remain campain put me right on any of the above ?
Have I not spoke fact ?
Go on tell me I'm wrong on any of that .
And there's loads more faults with the EU that I haven't even started on .

Have you got Stockholm syndrome ?

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

Those phrases are the basics of any "nation of law".

One can't change the "contractual base" of a referendum for example or simply a business, and saying afterwards "April, April" it wasn't meant like this.

Okoto probably knows more about legal principles than I do, but I did have to study contract law a little bit as part of my professional training. As I remember it:
Offer + Acceptance = Contract.

If the contract is accepted it becomes binding on both parties. You dont get to walk away because you changed your mind afterwards; though you can re-negotiate if the other party is willing to compromise, or you can merely break the contract, in which case there are penalties.

The rest of the UK has neither broken nor varied any clause in its contract with Scotland. We share a common identity and must all stick together. That is the contract. It seems to be the SNP which wants Scotland to break the contract with us. I do not know if the rest of the UK has a legal power to refuse Scotland a fresh independence referendum but if we do have such a power then it is up to the SNP to explain why we should not invoke a power of refusal. We will, of course, listen to whatever they have to say to us.

[haliose]

Originally Posted by seany65

If any Brits are interested, I've just started a petition to get the Brit Govt to refuse to consider the 2nd referendum petition. It needs 5 other people to support it, so if you are inclined to do so let me know and I'll email you the link. Apparently I have to do it that way.

sorry im all for this second