Beatles

[kennyjackson]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

George is a fascinating character. There's a hell of a lot to be said for the frustration and the songbook he was building up while in the background; "All Things Must Pass" is an statement of ego . .. "lookit me, you jackasses, six sides of songs you wouldn't give the time of day"

Now in truth, there are two sides too many in All things must pass, but still . . . what an album.

Its interesting that the Beatles gravitated to Phil Spector from George Martin-- part of that may have been Apple business related, but you find Phil doing his very best work with George and John. They're some of the few songs that he does in stereo, and the wall of sound never was better than when Phil's preference for bite size singles for the teens ran into giant egos and talents.

Well said: All Things Must Pass could have been sized down a bit. That album was George just letting it all flow out after being stifled - his view - for so long. With some notable exceptions, George was never quite the composer that John and Paul were. He is to be given credit because John and Paul had each other to help develop their talents and according to George neither of the others helped him develop his songwriting skills. (Lennon disputed this and was angry that he did not receive more credit in helping George with his songwriting) As to Spector: gravitating towards Spector from Martin was insane. George Martin was and is the man. Dream producer. Musician himself, composer and one of the few talents who was a perfect fit for The Beatles ever growing talent. Other producers would have tried to hem them into a certain sound throughout their careers and perhaps not have encouraged the musical experimenting the boys did.

[stardust2003]

I guess Brian saw the Beatles on TV and how sharp they
looked, then he thought of the Beachboys beach image
and felt a bit square.
But who can dispute Brians brilliant songwriting skills ?

Ive been thinking lately that the 3 Wilson brothers
are a kind of parallel to the 3 Gibb brothers.

I think that Barry Gibb was the main songwriter of the
3 brothers, he was also... like Brian... the eldest.

Sales wise and radio play wise the BeeGees must be up there with the Beach boys if not above them.



Bit weird that the Beatles finally met Elvis at Elvis home in California but we dont have any pics of that famous meeting.

Anti vietnam protests were on at that time and of course.. the very radical John Lennon was against the Vietnam war.

Apparantly when he walked into Elvis home he saw a big poster on the wall that said.... "All the way with LBJ"...
and realised that Elvis was basically a pro government right winger.
That immediately put him in a bad mood and it looks like that night was the start of the famous Lennon /Elvis feud .

I am a huge Zeppelin/Who fan. I think that these two bands are the titans of music, you can break them down individually and have a hard time saying who was better on bass, drums, vox, etc..BUT….without a doubt the Beatles were almost Godly, in a whole other dimension. When you put these 4 guys together…it was beyond magic, chemistry, etc…what they wrote, how they handled themselves, the times they were in, how they recorded, never looking back, or siting on their laurels, pushing, breaking new ground….nobody comes close. Remember they came from skiffle, early rockabilly, blues, and classics. 1962 Love Me Do…1968 Helter Skelter…1969 Abbey Road album….that is incredible. And I can see why the Beatles measured themselves against the Beach Boys…Brian Wilson was/Is a Genius.

Knowing how great McCartney is, there is no way if the Beatles survived that he would let any band outshine them, progressively, songwriting and performing. I saw Wings Over America in `76, that was one of the best tours of all time. Almost 3 hours long. And Lennon was no different, he always had his feet in the street, listening to hip off the wall artists, such as Bowie, and the New York scene, like Lou Reed. He was into advante garde artists too. And a political disruptive force.

They began and ended perfectly, and Zep did the same thing too.

[otiscleotus]

I think that George's Something and Here Comes The Sun are the two songs that while they didn't make Abbey Road without them there's not a particularly good album there.

[stardust2003]

It seems that all groups like Yes and Zep did in the 70s was get an LP together in the studio and then fly off to tour America and Canada .. promote the album and have a ball.

Fleetwood Mac decided to save on the air fares and moved to California to live.

[imtrying]

Originally Posted by stevefaucett

I like Abbey Road! Revolver! White Album! Let It Be! Rubber Soul! Sgt. Pepper! Magical Mystery Tour! The Beatles 4 Sale! I always thought HELP! and Yellow Submarine were two of the Beatles weaker albums because of the orchestra music.

I like George Martin's music on "Yellow Submarine". I also like his instrumental versions of Beatles' songs on the American version of "A Hard Day's Night". They're very "Swinging 60s". I agree with you on Ken Thorne's music on the Amercan version of "HELP!", it's pretty weak. I heard that George Martin didn't do the "HELP!" music because he and Richard Lester had some disagreements during the production of "Hard Day's Night'.

Originally Posted by otiscleotus

I think that George's Something and Here Comes The Sun are the two songs that while they didn't make Abbey Road without them there's not a particularly good album there.

There is no doubt that McCartney and Lennon were holding back material from this album, knowing full well that the Beatles were indeed over. But this could've been George Harrison's album, when you listen to Isn't It a Pity, All Things Must Pass, and Something, Here Comes The Sun…he finally arrived as a songwriter. And if these songs were on there , it would've been a masterpiece.
Superior songs to what is on there now, or at least replacing two maybe Maxwell Silver Hammer for a B - side?

Regardless they ended their career with a brilliant album, I thought Let It Be could've been way better. The songs were there, but they sounded like demos, not the real thing? Filming the recording sessions was the kiss of death for them.

Page would never do this in Zeppelin. That's the difference between them and The Who. No filler, fully worked up versions of the songs, different vocal stylings, grooves on their songs. He had Jones, Bonham, and Plant all contributing, where as the Who just had Townshend writing like a mad man, and The Beatles were literally burnt out during Let it be.

We were lucky to have them

[kennyjackson]

I think George kinda got screwed on the White Album. He could have been granted a lot more space on it. Think about it: Drop Revolution No. 9, Wild Honey Pie and slowed down Revolution since it was already a single and George could have been granted some of this space for his songs which were building up a backlog by then. One song of his that we know didn't make it was "Not Guilty" (Not the altered version that he would later release as a solo artist) but the more rock-like version The Beatles recorded but did not release as a group. As to Abbey Road, I do agree that George's songs on that one are arguably the best songs on the album but I wouldn't say it would have been a bad album w/o. The album still has Oh Darling, Come Together, You Never Give me Your Money and that classic guitar duel near the end.

[nckgmd]

My thought's on the Beatles are Lennon and McCartney needed each other and if they had of helped George with his writing we would of been talking about a group that would far out way any groups since. I think McCartney's music was a bit soft and Lennon would influence it to make it more nasty.. More Rock'n Roll. I think McCartney had more of the song writing talent during the Beatles and maybe that caused angst between him and Lennon. Also I think Martin and McCartney sort of developed a Father son relationship that Lennon may not of liked either. After the Beatles without Lennon's influence McCartney's song's became softer and softer.. Too poppy too nice.. The MOST unfortunate thing that really upset's me is I think Lennon in the few years before his death learnt to write better than McCartney and was just starting to peak at his abilities and then was killed... Fuck You Mark Chapman.. The song's we missed out on..

[stardust2003]

Yes did Mac write anything in the 70s to touch.... Imagine ?

or ... Love is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umq6q...=RDumq6qFNVnxs