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**HugoHackenbush** · April 15th, 2019, 07:05 PM

Horrific. Lady Hackenbush and I have a trip to Paris planned for this summer. I was really looking forward to seeing it. Hopefully something will be left to look at.

**Nightjar** · April 15th, 2019, 07:21 PM

According to those present, the fire now appears - appears being the operative word - to be under control thankfully.

I felt similarly depressed by the Glasgow School of Art fire as well, but this is like that to the power of 50.

No Muriel Gray in this case fortunately though.

**scoundrel** · April 15th, 2019, 08:34 PM

Notre Dame is one pf the most important ecclesiatical buildings in Europe. Even a majority of athiests will look at the images from Nore Dame this evening and feel shocked and deeply upset.

There is some heartening past history in this regard - notably the rebuilding of York Minster, which was accomplished in 4 years after the whole south transept was destroyed by fire in the 1980s. Notre Dame is more historically significant than York Minster. The Paris authorities, the French government and the Church will have to restore this building, no matter how badly is it damaged. It is simply too important to be allowed to go.

**scoundrel** · April 15th, 2019, 08:57 PM

From reports and images on the BBC News website it seems that Notre Dame Cathedral is going to be a total loss.

It was of course full of priceless works of art.

One must remember though that mere things can be replaced, whereas human life cannot. I sincerely hope that when the losses are tallied, it will not be a tally of the dead, but only of lost treasures. That's something to pray for, I would think, for those of us who do that sort of thing. Notre Dame Cathedral can be replaced, hopefully with a faithful replica differing only in being more fireproofed. Let's hope very much that this is the limit of the losses.

**cicciobuki** · April 15th, 2019, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scoundrel

Notre Dame is one pf the most important ecclesiatical buildings in Europe. Even a majority of athiests will look at the images from Nore Dame this evening and feel shocked and deeply upset.

Totally. I'm an atheist but it hurts to see a work of art like this burn down, same as i was shocked when some years ago the madmen of the taliban blew up some large precious ancient pre-buddhist statues. Heck, my heart even bleeds when a centuries-old tree goes down.

All these things are world heritage.

As bleak as it seems for the Notre-Dame right now, there is hope that the stone structure can be saved. To think it survived the French revolution and 2 world wars and then this...

**Brecht** · April 15th, 2019, 09:42 PM

Of course, as an atheist myself, I'm still shocked to see this grand piece of architecture lost. Even if it was built for the wrong purpose, the Notre Dame is a monument to what the human mind and hands can achieve. The firefighters say they could save the "structure" but I guess we'll see soon enough what that really means. If the Notre Dame is lost forever, it will be like a piece of our world died.

**otokonomidori** · April 15th, 2019, 11:31 PM

It's only a fucking church - let the Pope buy them a new one - God knows he's got enough money !!

There's more fuss about this than when those Islamonutters killed all those people in Paris in 2015

**Adam West** · April 16th, 2019, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by otokonomidori

It's only a fucking church - let the Pope buy them a new one - God knows he's got enough money !!

There's more fuss about this than when those Islamonutters killed all those people in Paris in 2015

Yeah, I get it, it's a church, but it's also much more than that. It's a work of art, it holds art and it's the history of France all rolled into one. That and a certain hunchback also made his home there

And if it seems like there is more todo about this than deaths, I'm sorry, I would tend to agree with you, but you can blame the media on that. They are (at least here in the U.S.) playing that constantly.

What can you do? I hate that both happened.

**SanteeFats** · April 16th, 2019, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by otokonomidori

It's only a fucking church - let the Pope buy them a new one - God knows he's got enough money !!

There's more fuss about this than when those Islamonutters killed all those people in Paris in 2015

I know you like to tweak and push posters but sometimes you need to get a fucking clue.

Regardless of the religious aspects it is, oops, was an architectural artifact of ancient proportions and important on its own merits.

**lothian** · April 16th, 2019, 02:52 AM

The Notre Dame is a tough old broad , it looks like the damage may be a lot lees than you would expect from the TV footage .

https://youtu.be/D6JYLEQdeVo

April 15th, 2019, 07:05 PM	#37741
HugoHackenbush Veteran Marxist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Wherever it's warm Posts: 14,134 Thanks: 205,984 Thanked 336,633 Times in 14,185 Posts	Horrific. Lady Hackenbush and I have a trip to Paris planned for this summer. I was really looking forward to seeing it. Hopefully something will be left to look at. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Just give me your body - I'll give you my brain - it's a fair exchange

April 15th, 2019, 08:34 PM	#37743
scoundrel Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 26,239 Thanks: 162,404 Thanked 278,548 Times in 26,184 Posts	Notre Dame is one pf the most important ecclesiatical buildings in Europe. Even a majority of athiests will look at the images from Nore Dame this evening and feel shocked and deeply upset. There is some heartening past history in this regard - notably the rebuilding of York Minster, which was accomplished in 4 years after the whole south transept was destroyed by fire in the 1980s. Notre Dame is more historically significant than York Minster. The Paris authorities, the French government and the Church will have to restore this building, no matter how badly is it damaged. It is simply too important to be allowed to go. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

April 15th, 2019, 08:57 PM	#37744
scoundrel Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 26,239 Thanks: 162,404 Thanked 278,548 Times in 26,184 Posts	From reports and images on the BBC News website it seems that Notre Dame Cathedral is going to be a total loss. It was of course full of priceless works of art. One must remember though that mere things can be replaced, whereas human life cannot. I sincerely hope that when the losses are tallied, it will not be a tally of the dead, but only of lost treasures. That's something to pray for, I would think, for those of us who do that sort of thing. Notre Dame Cathedral can be replaced, hopefully with a faithful replica differing only in being more fireproofed. Let's hope very much that this is the limit of the losses. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

April 15th, 2019, 07:21 PM	#37742
Nightjar Likes plump moths Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,831 Thanks: 18,826 Thanked 40,904 Times in 4,679 Posts	According to those present, the fire now appears - appears being the operative word - to be under control thankfully. I felt similarly depressed by the Glasgow School of Art fire as well, but this is like that to the power of 50. No Muriel Gray in this case fortunately though.

April 15th, 2019, 09:42 PM	#37746
Brecht Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 10,657 Thanks: 180,485 Thanked 188,138 Times in 10,453 Posts	Of course, as an atheist myself, I'm still shocked to see this grand piece of architecture lost. Even if it was built for the wrong purpose, the Notre Dame is a monument to what the human mind and hands can achieve. The firefighters say they could save the "structure" but I guess we'll see soon enough what that really means. If the Notre Dame is lost forever, it will be like a piece of our world died.

April 15th, 2019, 11:31 PM	#37747
otokonomidori 緑の男 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jockistan, UK. Posts: 8,316 Thanks: 39,023 Thanked 122,410 Times in 8,316 Posts	It's only a fucking church - let the Pope buy them a new one - God knows he's got enough money !! There's more fuss about this than when those Islamonutters killed all those people in Paris in 2015

April 16th, 2019, 02:52 AM	#37750
lothian Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Edinburgh Scotland Posts: 706 Thanks: 7,330 Thanked 9,841 Times in 704 Posts	The Notre Dame is a tough old broad , it looks like the damage may be a lot lees than you would expect from the TV footage . https://youtu.be/D6JYLEQdeVo