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Old 04-15-2019, 11:31 PM   #38881
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It's only a fucking church - let the Pope buy them a new one - God knows he's got enough money !!

There's more fuss about this than when those Islamonutters killed all those people in Paris in 2015
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It's only a fucking church - let the Pope buy them a new one - God knows he's got enough money !!

There's more fuss about this than when those Islamonutters killed all those people in Paris in 2015
Yeah, I get it, it's a church, but it's also much more than that. It's a work of art, it holds art and it's the history of France all rolled into one. That and a certain hunchback also made his home there

And if it seems like there is more todo about this than deaths, I'm sorry, I would tend to agree with you, but you can blame the media on that. They are (at least here in the U.S.) playing that constantly.

What can you do? I hate that both happened.
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Old 04-16-2019, 02:24 AM   #38883
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It's only a fucking church - let the Pope buy them a new one - God knows he's got enough money !!

There's more fuss about this than when those Islamonutters killed all those people in Paris in 2015
I know you like to tweak and push posters but sometimes you need to get a fucking clue.
Regardless of the religious aspects it is, oops, was an architectural artifact of ancient proportions and important on its own merits.
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Old 04-16-2019, 02:52 AM   #38884
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The Notre Dame is a tough old broad , it looks like the damage may be a lot lees than you would expect from the TV footage .

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I know you like to tweak and push posters but sometimes you need to get a fucking clue.
I think it's you who needs to get things in proportion - my contention is that an inordinate fuss is being made about a church .

Nobody died!
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I think it's you who needs to get things in proportion - my contention is that an inordinate fuss is being made about a church .

Nobody died!
Notre Dame is not just any old building or any old church.
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Old 04-16-2019, 07:18 AM   #38887
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Notre Dame is not just any old building or any old church.
Absolutely.

Let us not forget that in a sense these grand cathedrals - Notre Dame and others - are not just churches, they represented the aspirations of a whole society and culture reaching towards the limit in the grandest way they knew how.

Countless people labored for decades to build these. Men spent their entire lives building them, going from apprentice to master stonemason over the years and having children, growing old and dying even, before the work was complete.

I'm not religious, but if you can't find a place in your heart for the grandeur of such splendiferous works of art and the devoted craftsmanship that went into them, and feel a sense of sadness at their destruction, then I pity you.
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I agree and have his Holiness build it on your property
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I agree and have his Holiness build it on your property
It'll cost the old goat!

The French girl who's staying with me tells me she went on a school trip to Paris a couple of years ago and they all got dragged round Notre Dame and other boring bollocks , she'd have preferred shopping.

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The Notre Dame is a tough old broad , it looks like the damage may be a lot lees than you would expect from the TV footage .

https://youtu.be/D6JYLEQdeVo
The report is that they saved much of the artwork. In a way it is fortunate that the fire started in the roof beams. Much of the structure is intact. However, I read that the restoration they had been doing was problematic because the limestone was crumbling.

The cathedral took almost 200 years to build. it was started in 1163 and completed in 1345. It was pretty much wrecked during the French Revolution and rebuilt and restored in the 19th century. It will be rebuilt, perhaps closer to its original plans. We have a lot of experience with these things, given that so many historic buildings had to be restored after World War Two. In the former Soviet Union a whole bunch of replica replacements have been built of historic churches, mosques, and synagogues.

On the other hand, the roof the roof beams themselves dated to the Middle Ages and are now lost forever. The new roof construction will doubtless be superior and fire retardant.
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