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December 31st, 2018, 07:32 PM | #4911 | ||
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December 31st, 2018, 09:36 PM | #4912 | |
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Why didn't we talk about trade and about operating the open border requirement as closely linked and mutually dependent matters, as they so clearly are? That was the EU; and Mrs May being too weak to simply walk away and make clear that this was the only basis on which the EU and Britain could have a meaningful discussion. We are seeing the truth of this linkage all too clearly now. It has nothing to do with me wanting to blame anyone. It is what it is.
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December 31st, 2018, 10:14 PM | #4913 |
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Of course, they wanted the framework and definitions settled first. That's what professionals do. Why did you expect otherwise? Did you think they'd give you wiggle-room, so you can conflate issues with principles?
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December 31st, 2018, 11:26 PM | #4914 | |
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My question would be how the FH is the "framework" going to be defined if there is no foundation? What would be the basis of the framework if you don't even have an idea of what the trade arrangement will look like? You cannot build a house on sand.
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January 1st, 2019, 03:32 AM | #4915 | |
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No one's going to discuss trade details until you can agree the basics, but you're so divided, you can't agree among yourselves what you want. That's been the trouble all along -- you don't have a plan Last year, May visited Merkel, who said the following happened. Merkel: "You know the parameters: tell us what you want" May: "What are you offering?" Merkel: "You've known since 2016 what we're offering. What do you want?" May: "What are you offering?" You see? That's the difference between professionals and amateurs. One team is totally prepared and unified, and the other is not. It couldn't be clearer |
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January 1st, 2019, 10:40 AM | #4916 |
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In other words one side isn't negotiating, they're trying to dictate terms - I walk away from deals like that with my money still in my wallet.
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January 2nd, 2019, 12:38 AM | #4917 | |
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'Britain will regain her borders' I can understand that total lack of control on immigration can be a problem and all of those economic migrants from France and Germany are a pain. That said, we do currently have full control of those migrating to the UK from outside of the EU and yet year on year these people way outnumber those from the EU. Also if you were to check from the ONS you will see that those migrants from Europe are vastly more likely to pay into the system than those from other countries. So the area that Britain (her? The French have masculine and feminine and whilst England is feminine the United Kingdom is masculine so it should be 'his borders') has control over is the area of, lets say, poorest controls. 'the hard border with Northern….' That is contentious. I am sure you are fully aware of items such as The Good Friday Agreement and that the segregation of Ireland has serious consequences and a genuine threat to life. The people in Ireland are very passionate about how their country is apportioned and a return to those dreadful days is not one I would relish or even be prepared to pass blame onto another institution if the whole situation can be avoided. A bit of Trumpism there 'it's not me it's the democrats'. What is this leakage into the EU from the Uk that you are referring to? Are you suggesting that the brits would try to escape via Ireland? Surely they could just hop in a migrants dinghy and paddle back to Calais. The rest of it I did not understand nor have the willpower to investigate, one wine too many. |
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The UK has 1.4m unemployed yet 3m EU nationals. Those are 3m people who are registered into the system and pay tax etc.. I am shit with numbers but if 3m people pay, say on average, £1000 a year on tax that's £3bn to the economy. |
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I was merely responding to a stupid all Brexit voters are racist style post, I voted Leave and all I was saying is that I have no issue with living and working with other people from different nationalities, it was as simple as that. As I said though it should be up to the UK who we accept or invite in (any better ?) and not to the EU.
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That's always been the UK's motto for sure: I write the rules, BUT plus special ones: Le Touquet Treaty for example ? We french have been puzzled by Thatcher's policies for decades, the UK's not an island, it has borders in France that will not be erased by the brexit. We have been paying for UK's rebate for decades too, because Thatcher and all the following PM wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Now that there are the Yellowjackets insurrections here plus terrorism back, traders do not want to leave the City, but some citizens still want to ask for french naturalisation application: better healthcare system, better retirement system, and we won't talk about the weather, the houses, the land... It's always the same with UK people: imperialism, colonialism, but in others nations, not in theirs. They even stole our northern "la choule" game and named it rugby... Last edited by SoIGotTheGroov; January 2nd, 2019 at 05:41 AM.. |
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