Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Capitalism makes rich, richer and poor, poorer.

So what, under capitalism nobody is forbidden to become rich under communism

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Capitalism wastes natural resources.

Don't kid yourself, true capitalism does use more resources but there would never have been a society that didn't, don't for a minute think Communists are clean and use little or none.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Capitalism is not democratic

You have stated before many times here you don't like a Democratic system so that comment is more hypocrisy and a so called panel of experts you like offers no say by the people ..... so that entire comment is basically illegitimate coming from you

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Capitalism makes workers slaves of salary.

I get paid, slaves don't, and don't twist that logic by coming up with the third listed meaning in a dictionary of the word slave, lefties use it to make it sound like we don't get paid, are owned and beaten, I'm a bit too smart to fall for psychology

Please post more hypocrisy on your capitalist computer, and send it to a capitalist server and I hope it's all powered by electricity generated by solar cells made by a capitalist company using capitalist research and the electricity bill is paid to a capitalist energy provider

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by haroldeye

The king could no longer impose unjust taxes on the former colonies for the privilege of doing business with the British Empire.

I think you'll find that the unjust taxes were for defending the Colonies from the Indians (though no longer the French) and that the cause of the Boston Tea Party was a lowering of Tea Duty which mean't the New England smuggling community were losing money.

If you are secretly planning on starting your own country, why pay for wars fought between snotty European powers on your future land? And it was those powers that really got the Indians stirred up in the first place.

Thus, the Monroe Doctrine. Europeans, GTFO, and stay out.

The Boston Tea party happened because of a sop by England to the East India Company, which let them sell tea here without paying the taxes American merchants had to. How fair. No cronyism going on there.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

So what, under capitalism nobody is forbidden to become rich under communism

Do you intentionally don't understand the problem of wealth distribution in a Capitalist system?

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Don't kid yourself, true capitalism does use more resources but there would never have been a society that didn't, don't for a minute think Communists are clean and use little or none.

When your goal is to make money to survive (I don't even speak about making money for money, that is even 1 billion time worse), you only can waste more resources than when you planify intelligently your resources.
That's not more complicated than that.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

You have stated before many times here you don't like a Democratic system so that comment is more hypocrisy and a so called panel of experts you like offers no say by the people ..... so that entire comment is basically illegitimate coming from you

Yes I still dislike the kind of Capitalist democracy in which I live.
I don't want to be runned by stupid stooges who lick the feet of their masters, because they don't understand how their masters are sodomizing them.

Just watch "White American" workers, who voted for Reagan, Bush and Bush Jr ... They all were rich (American way of life) and now are ruined and drug addicted and still vote for a President who cut taxes for the richests.
How clever.
You can think that I'm anti-American, but I'm not, recently the French have elected exactly the same kind of hypocrite as President.

What you didn't understand, it's that I'm having fun about you, who think that you live in a Democratic system, while you don't.

Now, thanks to Noam Chomsky, you are informed. Pretending that Capitalist democracy is democratic is ... a lie or a hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

I get paid, slaves don't, and don't twist that logic by coming up with the third listed meaning in a dictionary of the word slave, lefties use it to make it sound like we don't get paid, are owned and beaten, I'm a bit too smart to fall for psychology

You are exploited.
If you are happy how you are exploited, I'm glad for you.
I'll not spend more time to try to open your eyes.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Please post more hypocrisy on your capitalist computer, and send it to a capitalist server and I hope it's all powered by electricity generated by solar cells made by a capitalist company using capitalist research and the electricity bill is paid to a capitalist energy provider

That's not the first time that you call me hypocrite, but trust me, I live in a country that is 10000% time more democratic than yours. It's one of the most democratic countries in the world. In comparison, you live under a dictatorship.

I always vote, but think that's a desperate act, because of Capitalism.
I already mourned my freedom a long time ago.
Since the beginning you mix what I personally think with problems that I point.
The problems that I point are mainly dedicated to you, to open your eyes.
Both things are sometimes totally different.

Just inform yourself or think a little bit and you will understand that democracy, by definition, does not respect freedom more than several forms of totalitarianisms.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Do you intentionally don't understand the problem of wealth distribution in a Capitalist system?

I ain't gonna answer most of your comments as we've been down those same topics here before,

But I will attack that one as I don't think I've commented on that particular one before.

Please, don't be shocked either, see I do believe it should be made easier for less wealthy people to become wealthy ..... but do not think for a minute I agree that it should be taken from those that worked hard to earn it just so those that didn't do become wealthier. I believe in working for your own wealth is a far bigger reward that having it handed to you.

An incentive is far far better than a handout.

I've said this before, I'm at the very top end middle class and at the lowest end of wealthy but still consider myself blue collar as I do work in a stinking hot factory, It's all I've known.

[Roubignol]

Communism or Anarchism in the past resulted of a revolt against Colonialism, Monarchism or Imperialism.

I just read the Cambodian Constitution of 1975 that you can find following this link:

Democratic Kampuchea (1975-1979)

The Cambodian Constitutions (1953-1993)
Collected and Introduced by Raoul M. Jennar
Democratic Kampuchea (1975-1979)

In this Constitution it's written:

Chapter Three
Culture
Article 3 The culture of Democratic Kampuchea has a national, popular, forward-looking, and healthful character such as will serve the tasks of defending and building Kampuchea into an ever more prosperous country.
This new culture is absolutely opposed to the corrupt, reactionary culture of the various oppressive classes and that of colonialism and imperialism in Kampuchea.

[...]

Chapter Sixteen
Foreign Policy
Article 21

[...]

Democratic Kampuchea strives to promote solidarity with the peoples of the Third World in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, and with peace - and justice-loving people the world over, and to contribute most actively to mutual aid and support in the struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, and in favour of independence, peace, friendship, democracy, justice, and progress in the world.

Follow the link and read it. (It's a very small constitution: 8 minutes reading)
What is wrong with this Constitution?

I know... I know... Estreeter will mention : "I want polygamy!" But no my friend ! ... in this Constitution it was not allowed.

[Wendigo]

Sorry xyz but that is pure bollocks about Cambodia, forget about what the lying murdering bastards might have said that weak minded apologists might be taken in by and judge the scum by their deeds

http://www.cambodiatribunal.org/hist...rouge-history/

"A few days after they took power in 1975, the Khmer Rouge forced perhaps two million people in Phnom Penh and other cities into the countryside to undertake agricultural work. Thousands of people died during the evacuations."

During this time, everyone was deprived of their basic rights. People were not allowed to go outside their cooperative. The regime would not allow anyone to gather and hold discussions. If three people gathered and talked, they could be accused of being enemies and arrested or executed.

Family relationships were also heavily criticized. People were forbidden to show even the slightest affection, humor or pity. The Khmer Rouge asked all Cambodians to believe, obey and respect only Angkar Padevat, which was to be everyone’s “mother and father.”



There's lots more in that article but really Cambodia is a shit example to hold up for anything other than brutality and sheer evil.

Isn't it time you called it a day and forget all this pitiful pleading

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

What is wrong with this Constitution?

What's wrong with it .... words is all they are is what's wrong with it

Physical things, actual outcomes and results are the real world Mate, the real world is the real judge.

This part of the article

Democratic Kampuchea strives to promote solidarity

By killing all those who oppose first and only leaving like minded population left, then I guess yep, there is a solidarity.

But That's what's needed to make Communism a success, get eveyone to think the same, which just ain't gonna happen, ever.

Just us few here who oppose you are proof of that, I'd be killed in Communist state as am so opposed to the system I would start civil unrest.

[Roubignol]

@Wendigo and Estreeter.

All the fault in Cambodia was because of soldiers.

Do you know why people are afraid to get egalitarian societies ?

Because soldiers and policemen help the unfair authorities to enslave fair people.

Just read and honestly follow the Communist or Anarchist Constitutions and there will be no mass murders, no poverty and everybody will be happy... apart the unfair ones who will be unhappy.

That seems very naive, but that's the reality.

Why do you watch soccer games when you know that some players will try by all the way to
cheat ? Because there is a referee.
What annoys you the most when you watch a soccer game ? Players cheating. Isn't it ?

We have to follow fair Constitutions and send to prison cheaters.
That's maybe what were the Gulags in fact. Prisons full of cheaters.
Don't you think ?

If an egalitarian leader is a cheater, he has to go to prison. Soldiers don't have to help him. Isn't it ?

Originally Posted by Wendigo

There's lots more in that article but really Cambodia is a shit example to hold up for anything other than brutality and sheer evil.

Isn't it time you called it a day and forget all this pitiful pleading

Read the Cambodian Constitution.
It's a FANTASTIC Constitution.
I've rarely read a better one.

Just read it, accept it and follow it.

Why do you show examples that were not written in the Constitution.

That's like the other day with Mal Hombre who accepted that British authorities didn't respect the article IX of the OPCW.
It's like that that conflicts begin... when people do not respect Constitutions, laws or treaties.
Isn't it ?

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Read the Cambodian Constitution.
It's a FANTASTIC Constitution.
I've rarely read a better one.

Just read it, accept it and follow it.

Why do you show examples that were not written in the Constitution.

Because I live in the real world not some marxist wet dream, all marxists talk like messiahs but as soon as they get a sniff of power it turns them worse than everything they ever argued against.
If they cannot follow their own bullshit why should we, in the West we do not kid ourselves that politicians talk bollocks and when they get elected they go back on promises but very rarely do they go to the evil levels that marxist tyrants stoop to.

I'll not read accept and follow primrose scented fictional nonsense, if a reasonably large marxist state can live by those almost utopian beliefs for a few decades and not turn into an Orwellian nightmare then maybe I will sit up and take note, until then .... next

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

Because I live in the real world not some marxist wet dream, all marxists talk like messiahs but as soon as they get a sniff of power it turns them worse than everything they ever argued against.

Exactly,

Originally Posted by xyzde69

It's a FANTASTIC Constitution.
I've rarely read a better one.

Just read it, accept it and follow it.

Really

Tell that to these people,



I'm sure they will wholeheartedly agree
That's the reality of dream

I hate doing this, I'm gonna quote Springsteen,
"Is a dream a lie if it don't come true or is it something worse"