The Worst President In American History Poll

[jackrabbitcafe]

a very interesting thread with a lot of inaccuracies from a lot of fringe loony toon websites. that said the initial thread should have been who are the worst presidents for what we all can agree on.... the preservation of porn. the current 45 and the attorney general are anti porn. no debate here , go to youtube and see for yourself. the evangelicals and the concerned women for america along with other pro family groups worked hard to get their man into the white house. they want payback and most of it will be in the selection of religious minded judges who find it extremely disturbing that you sit in front of your computer screen jacking off. good presidents are the ones who select aclu approved civil libertarians. they select a attorney general that views porn as a free speech issue already settled and no need to review it. now all you experienced keyboard historians do the research and draw your own conclusions. remember think about your dick. .

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by begos

The incompetence and failed policies of Reagan, Hoover, and Daddy Bush –- as well as any other sub-par U.S. presidents –- pale in comparison to the malevolence and malfeasance of Richard M. Nixon and George W. Bush.

Nixon was vile and evil. But at least he showed a sliver of decency, and perhaps some actual concern for the country, when he chose to resign rather than putting the nation through the drawn out trauma of impeachment and his forced removal from office.

Bush, however, is a dullard totally incapable of psychological self-awareness or any concern for the well being of the country as a whole. He possessed only a narcissistic concern for protecting his “legacy” (geez, ya wanta talk about some heavy-duty irony here) and a class and party-based concern for promoting the economic interests of the rich and the political interests of the radical right. Beyond that, everyone and everything else be damned –- as evidenced by him doing his utmost right up until the final hours of his accursed presidency to implement more of the misbegotten and shortsighted policies that have wrecked havoc on America and the world.

Therefore George W. Bush “wins” the contest hands down. Let’s hope that he always retains the distinction of being the worst U.S. president ever. Honestly, God save our poor nation if someone worse ever comes along!

I'm surprised that Bush Jr is invited in conferences with Clinton and that Bill laugh at Georges' jokes.
The most surprising is that this guy who is considered as a war criminal by the human rights organisation "Amnesty international" never faced any juges.
That's such an hypocrisy.
In comparison, Tony Blair has a lot more trouble with his own citizens.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

I'm surprised that Bush Jr is invited in conferences with Clinton and that Bill laugh at Georges' jokes.
The most surprising is that this guy who is considered as a war criminal by the human rights organisation "Amnesty international" never faced any juges.
That's such an hypocrisy.
In comparison, Tony Blair has a lot more trouble with his own citizens.

I am no big fan of George W. Bush. I also heartily dislike the U.S. policy since the Reagan presidency of exempting its leaders from the Court of International Justice and the War Crimes Commission. IMO it will not go well for some of our future leaders when our power wanes in the future and they are called to account for over reaching. It is an arrogant stance and sets a poor moral example. It also caused our nation to disgrace itself by breaching hard won norms of international decency that we had promoted since World War I.

However, I came to realize that there is more to the man than I had realized when I discovered his role in establishing the long overdue National Museum of African American History and Culture.

Once again, I will repeat that no American president since Warren Harding can match the records of ineptitude of 19th century presidents Pierce, Buchanan, and others. The current occupant of the office is showing considerable promise of plumbing new depths, however.

[Schwenck]

I'm from the UK, so this is a view from outside the US.
I am surprised so many recent presidents were mentioned; their misdemeanors seem quite pale compared to earlier ones; consider President Grant.

This is a difficult question to answer, as there are many candidates. My final 3:

Warren Gamaliel Harding
James Buchanan
Ulysses S Grant

I am a bit annoyed that the competition is so fierce that Richard Milhouse Nixon cannot get in it. But when he wasn't corrupting elections and breaking the law on multiple issues, he did do the odd useful thing. It is also sad that Nixon was, due to his resignation, was never formally impeached and convicted. I think that might have been a better outcome for the USA

[Devius]

Originally Posted by Schwenck

I am a bit annoyed that the competition is so fierce that Richard Milhouse Nixon cannot get in it. But when he wasn't corrupting elections and breaking the law on multiple issues, he did do the odd useful thing. It is also sad that Nixon was, due to his resignation, was never formally impeached and convicted. I think that might have been a better outcome for the USA

I think if you search this thread, you'll find that "Tricky Dick" has got several mentions...

[Mal Hombre]

Originally Posted by Schwenck

I'm from the UK, so this is a view from outside the US.

I am a bit annoyed that the competition is so fierce that Richard Milhouse Nixon cannot get in it. But when he wasn't corrupting elections and breaking the law on multiple issues, he did do the odd useful thing. It is also sad that Nixon was, due to his resignation, was never formally impeached and convicted. I think that might have been a better outcome for the USA

There's this..

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

To get back to the question,Nixon was a bad man but a relatively good president,while Bush was a bad president but a relatively good man.

[jetpacksam]

Individual 1 - It isn't close.

Richard Nixon:
He was so far ahead of his time in certain areas that no one has really come close. His foreign policy has never been matched in regards to the then USSR and China.
Though he did end Vietnam, it arguably took at least a year longer than it should have.
He and Kissinger actually thought they had a deal done about a year into his 1st term but he and Kissinger relaxed on that issue switching over to the 2 major opponents. That was a mistake, as the deal was not closed. 1st Nuclear arms treaty, 1st visit by a President to both capitals. If you have not watched this documentary, I cannot recommend it highly enough

Carter:
Was he mostly ineffectual? Yes.
Except he did what no other President had been able to do:
Camp David Accords
And the way he handled Three Mile Island is overlooked as well.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by jetpacksam

Carter:
Was he mostly ineffectual? Yes.
Except he did what no other President had been able to do:
Camp David Accords
And the way he handled Three Mile Island is overlooked as well.

Carter will look much, much, much better as years go by.

As you observe, he managed to do the impossible-- got a peace treaty signed.

He inherited the post-Vietnam mess, and unlike other politicians tried to change course in logical way.

A few really good ideas that Carter had:

1) We should conserve energy; that's the shortest road to energy independence from the Middle East

2) we should develop new petroleum technologies to produce more of what we have

3) we should stand for our values in the world.

I think there are all sorts of unappreciated benefits from Carter's policies. Camp David is well known, but how about Korean democracy? Korea began is move from a pretty nasty authoritarian military government to a democracy because of Carter's pressure. People forget that.

The US is today self sufficient in energy, because of non-traditional energy production. Carter's "synfuels corporation" was the beginning of investment of new technologies to get more out of difficult geology.

He was distinctly Southern, distinctly Christian (still teaches Sunday school) and he was a progressive. . . the Dems have since lost the capacity to talk to Christians and Southerners.

and finally, Carter was a genuinely decent human being. Its not necessarily the most important thing in a President, but its not nothing either

[jetpacksam]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Carter will look much, much, much better as years go by....and finally, Carter was a genuinely decent human being. Its not necessarily the most important thing in a President, but its not nothing either

His works when out of office are staggering in comparison to other presidents, who did and do nothing, except pat themselves on the back.

>Habitat For Humanity. And he didn't just donate Money, he was well known for showing up frequently and helping to build the homes.

>Won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work toward finding peace.

>Opened the Carter Center in Egypt, only closing it after it became apparent
that Egypt was not really interested in their help to find peace.

>Continued his work in North Korea

>Outspoken critic of administrations of both parties.

I concur, history will and should look at him as one of the most underrated presidents. in our countries history.

[Meini Again]

Originally Posted by jim dawson

Best liar.. Obama. Wosrt president, early still to tell, but I'll award on same basis as his Nobel Peace Prize, to Obama, based upon confidence he'll earn the award/title outright.