General Election 8 June

[bloke57]

Then we will never have to see these frightful mugs again.

Vote Bloke in 2017.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by bloke57

I see Paul Nuttall of the UKIPS wants to introduce a burka ban if his party wins.

He'll have to hope no one introduces a complete berk ban or he will be in big trouble.

Only the ballot box will tell us for certain, but I think this is a fatal tactical mistake from UKIP. They had a realistic opportunity to broaden their support in places where Labour have betrayed their classic white working class support base and shown themselves to be unrepresentative, except of the effete and decadent Fitzrovia chattering classes. But being white and working class does not automatically mean that you are enthusiastic about nasty and unwarranted anti-Muslim law-making and blatant and intentional sleights against the (mainly Asian) Muslim community. I strongly disapprove of the burkha as it happens, it certainly is not a British tradition, but I would not vote for this ban as it is mean, insulting and will make trouble for the sake of making trouble, and I fail to see what good purpose it serves. Ultimately, women will dress as they think fit and within the limits of public decency they have the right to do that. What this proposed burkha ban says to me is that UKIP is still rather close to its roots in the BNP and the National Front.

The onanism of Gary Nuttall and of UKIP is actually bad news for Labour because it reduces the risk to the Tories that the pro-Brexit vote will be divided. The Conservative Party will be more attractive now as a home for rational and relatively liberal and centrist anti-EU ballots.

[suzchad]

I think this election is fairly predictable after the electoral surprises of the last 2 years.
The Conservatives will win at least 50 more seats, perhaps up to 70/80 more depending on how many Tory/Labour marginals there are.
Labour and UKIP will drop further back with Ukip being seen as having done its protest group job and Corbyn talking his way out of his... Labour will also suffer from Liberals going back to them after forgiving them for then broken promises of the coalition and a number of remainers going to them in the vain hope of a rematch over Brexit.
Theresa May will have a clear path to the Brexit she wants-hopefully a hard one with Europe finally caving in because otherwise Germany will have to bear the brunt of the EU bill vacuum left by us...probably we'll have to continue some kind of subscription to the EU (at least half what we now pay) for access to the Euro markets without so much freedom of movement. Maybe then we'll have a health service and education service that can cope with the population and some jobs for the indigenous population rather than greedy entrepreneurs hiring Poles for less than the minimum wage and working 24/7. Who knew there were so many Poles over here? But that is non PC to say, a bit like suggesting the McCanns (both Drs) accidentally overdosed Madeline on sleeping pills....another can of worms...

[vinceprince]

Originally Posted by suzchad

I think this election is fairly predictable after the electoral surprises of the last 2 years.
The Conservatives will win at least 50 more seats, perhaps up to 70/80 more depending on how many Tory/Labour marginals there are.
Labour and UKIP will drop further back with Ukip being seen as having done its protest group job and Corbyn talking his way out of his... Labour will also suffer from Liberals going back to them after forgiving them for then broken promises of the coalition and a number of remainers going to them in the vain hope of a rematch over Brexit.

You're right it's going to be a very dull, predictable campaign and result. Then again anything would be after experiencing Donald Trump's campaign and first 100 days.

I think they always have been here, we just remember the few isolated highlights like Gillian Duffy, 'Ed Stone' and Prescott punching someone that peppered the long drawn-out boredom.

How long to go now?

[monogroover]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

Only the ballot box will tell us for certain, but I think this is a fatal tactical mistake from UKIP. They had a realistic opportunity to broaden their support in places where Labour have betrayed their classic white working class support base and shown themselves to be unrepresentative, except of the effete and decadent Fitzrovia chattering classes.

I think the game is up for UKIP now anyway - on the Brexit groups I take part in on Facebook and elsewhere I'm seeing the same message repeatedly - Theresa has it in hand, and the best way to ensure we get the Brexit we want is to support her. No-one else can deliver it.

UKIP delivered the referendum, indirectly. But it can't deliver the actual exit from the EU that people are looking for.

Furthermore Nuttall doesn't even have a hint of the charisma and appeal that Farage had, he already seems like damaged goods after that by-election he fought and this latest focus on muslim-bashing is just going to turn more people off, as you say.

I'd considered jumping ship and joining UKIP at the time of the referendum (I'm a lifelong Conservative supporter and long-time member). I felt that Cameron had let me down by trying to sell that ridiculous 'deal' he'd got from the EU, and Theresa was after all a remainer. But I wouldn't dream of it now.

[monogroover]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

General election: Tory victory 'will not strengthen May's Brexit hand'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39681186

Theresa May's claims that a general election victory will strengthen her hand in Brexit negotiations have been called "nonsensical" by the European Parliament's chief Brexit co-ordinator.
Guy Verhofstadt, a long-standing critic of Brexit, wrote in The Observer that it was "irrelevant" whether the Conservatives increased their majority.
Mr Verhofstadt wrote: "The theory espoused by some, that Theresa May is calling a general election on Brexit in order to secure a better deal with the EU, is nonsensical.
"Will the election of more Tory MPs give Theresa May a greater chance of securing a better Brexit deal?

Yes it will, and here's what he doesn't get: she has to get the Brexit she wants, in so far as she's able to negotiate it, past her own backbenchers, and the Remoaners in the Lords.

By convention the Lords won't obstruct government measures that form part of their manifesto, if they have the electorate's rubber stamp on them.

It may be that some shrewder remainers are thinking of voting Tory, because it might be that she needs a better working majority to get a softer Brexit past the Eurosceptics on the back benches.

[Oswald]

T. May called this snap general election in full knowledge that her party was/is streets ahead in the opinion polls and with an excellent chance of securing a huge majority. However, all the pro-Brexit rhetoric emanating from T. May is simply a façade. She is a pro-remainer, a globalist and a Freemason and she will do all she can to delay, obfuscate and water down Brexit to a 'Fudgexit'. I certainly do not trust T.May, but as with the recent US elections, her (and her party) are the least worst option.

[Mal Hombre]

Whatever else Mrs May might be,She is undoubtedly a woman and They don't let women into the Freemasons..

[bloke57]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

Whatever else Mrs May might be,She is undoubtedly a woman and They don't let women into the Freemasons..

There is an Order of Women Freemasons. I don't know what form their secret handshake takes.

[seany65]

I'm not quite so sure the result is such a foregone conclusion. I thik it partly depends on what "They" (N.W.O. etc.) want for Britain. Do they care one way or the other if we leave the EU? If not then the tories will prolly win, if they want us to stay in, then maybe a 'shock' result may be in order so that we end up staying in or the brexit is so soft we may as well havew stayed in.

So it would go "shock result" of referendum to make us think we are getting out and then "shock result" to show 'common sense prevails' and we never get another chance of leaving.