Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by Roger Allott

We pay an amount to the EU. Let's say that's £A.

The EU pays a proportion of that back to us. Let's say that's £B.

We have virtually no input into how £B is distributed.

An amount - let's say £C - is retained by the EU to cover their costs in deciding how to distribute the £B.

The rest - let's say £D - is distributed to other EU states.

We have virtually no input into how £D is distributed and get no thanks for it from recipient states because it gets branded as a gift from the EU.

Separately, we pay for bureaucrats in the UK to decide how other amounts collected from general taxation are distributed to organisations in the UK and overseas.

The principle is batshit crazy. The sums don't add up. The only people who benefit from this insane arrangement are faceless bureaucrats. This is why I'm voting to leave the EU. I've spent the last two months waiting to hear what are the good points about our membership of the EU that outweighs the cost. I have yet to hear a single one.

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So it works in principle with the giver - countries.

But: You (Britain) are a full EU - Member. You are with a commissionaire a member of the EU - commission too.

Therefore: Do you really think, you (Britain) haven't any control, where your tax - money goes ?
(Your government doesn't tell you (the citizens) explicit, where the money goes - that's the same with our government - ; but to think there is no control is simply naive. Politicians are "ticking different").

[DB83]

^^ To answer the 'undemoncratic' comment a little earlier in the thread.

The registration website was down for some 90 minutes. Yet the notion is that these people and, potentially, others get a further 48 hours to register. Polls, oh we all know how 'accurate' they can be but people do use them as a yardstick, suggest a close contest right now. Yet the idea is that those who have left it late are more inclined to be young and in the 'Remain' camp. So this extra 48 hours just gives 'Call Me Dave' more time to get more voters on his side. In an undemocratic country that would be called 'fixing'. The synical would suggest a DDOS on the system.

So a close result in the margin of these extra registrants, the number of which will be known, will be brought in to question whatever the outcome.

But the whole registration process is a bit of a farce. In my days, every year someone knocked on my front door to check that every inhabitant was on the register or note any changes. The plus is that deceased people are now automatically removed as what happened with my family since we only received the correct number of voting cards.

Yet it shocks me what there are people of all age-bands that are not on the register not just those whose it is the first time they have the opportunity to vote.

[emexem]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

You win some

EU referendum: JCB chairman tells staff of Brexit support
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36485985

You lose some
EU referendum: MP Sarah Wollaston swaps sides over 'untrue' Leave claims
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36485464

With respect , JCB Chairman always wins some.

Inherited the company , and rapidly hot footed to Switzerland, using his non -dom status to avoid paying his share of the loot to HM exchequer. There he remained as did his tax affairs, until he opened a British Virgin Islands company of which he was the sole shareholder. There his affairs happily remained until the boy David elevated him to the peerage, for making extremely large donations to the Conservative party, at which point he suddenly remembered what a great British patriot he was and hastily closed down the BVI company.

This touches on a few points covered earlier:


What a wonderful body of men and women our house of Lords are, and what a wonderful job they are doing for the British taxpayer, yes even those that have scuttled away to live a life as non- dom swiss to protect their wedge, but still want to influence the British democratic process by making large donations largely, but not exclusively, to the Tory party.

Who better to advise us Brits on the merits of an exit vote, than a bloke who couldnt wait to scuttle off to Switzerland to live- an option not open to those earning the laughingly small minimum wage, they,unlike lord Nibs has had to pay UK tax whether they liked it or not.

[Roger Allott]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

So it works in principle with the giver - countries.

But: You (Britain) are a full EU - Member. You are with a commissionaire a member of the EU - commission too.

Therefore: Do you really think, you (Britain) haven't any control, where your tax - money goes ?
(Your government doesn't tell you (the citizens) explicit, where the money goes - that's the same with our government - ; but to think there is no control is simply naive. Politicians are "ticking different").

I agree. That is why I said "virtually no input" instead of "no input". We are one of 28 states with input into the decision processes of the EU, which is about 3.6%.

In my book, 3.6% input is correctly described as "virtually no input".

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[Roger Allott]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

You lose some
EU referendum: MP Sarah Wollaston swaps sides over 'untrue' Leave claims
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36485464

That decision looks distinctly dodgy. Either she believes it's best to remain in the EU or it's best to leave it.

Changing her mind on the nature of the UK-EU relationship should be based upon the merits or otherwise of the UK-EU relationship, not on her feelings about a campaign slogan - however daft that slogan might be.

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[ManofKent]

Is anyone else here has SICK TO DEATH of hearing about this has I am?

EVERY newspaper and every TV channel is going on about EVERY SINGLE DAY, and I'm sorry but fed up hearing about it by now!

Has anyone noticed it's always the same people having the same old conversations over and over again.

The thing is I've already made up my mind has to what I'm going for, and I just wish that all these so-called experts (on both sides, might I add) would just allow the general public to actually think for themselves instead of bombarding everyone on reasons why they think that anyone who dares to disagree with them is WRONG, which just smacks of arrogance in my opinion (and like I said, both sides have been doing).

By now I don't really what all these politicians and businessmen say, I've made up my mind and that's it.

[thunderfly]

Originally Posted by Roger Allott

That decision looks distinctly dodgy. Either she believes it's best to remain in the EU or it's best to leave it.

Changing her mind on the nature of the UK-EU relationship should be based upon the merits or otherwise of the UK-EU relationship, not on her feelings about a campaign slogan - however daft that slogan might be.

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That is the nature of most women's mentality. They change their minds at the drop of a hat for the most trivial of reasons.

[pferdewurst]

I think the £ will go down if you leave the EU. Iam okay with it so i save money on amazon.co.uk

Tomorrow starts the EM in France so the newspapers have other stuff to write about.

[old alal]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

MP Sarah Wollaston swaps sides over 'untrue' Leave claims

If all "interested parties" swopped sides every time one or the other comes up with an "untrue" statement, they will be doing the Hokey Kokey (if thats how you spell it) all day long.. How stupid do they think we all are?

[benboe]

Originally Posted by pferdewurst

I think the £ will go down if you leave the EU. Iam okay with it so i save money on amazon.co.uk

Tomorrow starts the EM in France so the newspapers have other stuff to write about.

The pound will definitely fall if we decide to leave the EU but that is down to uncertainty and not knowing what happens next. Marketeers will make money when it falls as well as when it rises again. Short term our exports will be cheaper so buy while you can.