Apple v Microsoft

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by crinolynne

Let me be very direct. You are brand brainwashed. Which means you won't, can't, are congenitally incapable of understanding why Apple doesn't come close to meeting the needs of users who are not process challenged.

That said, let me be very direct. Apple has chosen to determine what they think is the optimum why of using their machine. That process method is, let me blunt, TOTALLY COUNTER INTUITIVE to the way I think/work/play.

Let me even more blunt, since we're dealing with the exceptionally obtuse, cult obsessed group - not everyone is like you, in fact, most people are NOT like you. This may come as a shock but since your artificially inured and insulated to reality, I'm not worried.

Enjoy your brand. Myself, I prefer my unix system without the flash and hype.

Huh ... where did you come from
Oh, thanks for taking time to reply to this thread

Let me be a little more bunt, if I may
Umm, A few of the posters on here, this thread I mean, palo, brecht will know more than half the reason I started it was purely for a friendly stirring session ... They also know I despise MS I also like to create discussion within this entire site ...... I take nothing seriously

I do love my Mac, when I first bought one I was very open to my thoughts about it and went looking for ways to break it .... I couldn't, that's when I started liking it, I wasn't sucked in by any hype.

So, when it comes to replies like yours in this thread that seem rude .... I ain't worried either

[Nobody1]

I have absolutely no experience with Apple. But I believe you pay for certain things you usually get for free (regular updates etc.) if you use their products. So, Apple is like voluntarily paying for the free air you breathe, or buying bottled water.

It's the brave new world of the homo corporaticus.

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

How can a mp3 player be THAT good?

And since I use a mobile phone, I don't need anymore a mp3 player...

The storage capacity is its strongest feat. (I have an iPod classic and it's 120 GB large)
The clickwheel system is pretty good as well.

I don't like mobile phones personally. And i'm not a fan of streaming either, i like to 'have' my music, even if it's only digitally.

Originally Posted by sandhunter

I really like my iPod, but it has a problem iTunes, when you use iTunes it you have to keep an eye on your trash bin , if iTunes doesn't like something in your music collection they throw it away
Apple did a great job designing the iPod but they should spend more time on iTunes

I agree, i only tolerate iTunes because i have to.
But you should turn off all of the automated crap and uninstall the Bonjour service.

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Umm, I have got Apples mouse, came with the machine, the whole thing is one button but it is sensitive to which side of the mouse is clicked
and does in fact have a right click.

Ahh ok, i didn't know that. Does it have a scrolly button?

Originally Posted by Estreeter

I really liked the early versions of iTunes now it's a bit too gimmicky with all the crap people want.

Which version is it these days? i stopped updating at itunes 10, partly because of messages of people having their iPod reduced to a brick because iTunes 10 somehow killed it.
Also it had all the things i needed.

[Smoke20]

I've been using a MacBook Pro for 8 years now and it is still working great.Boot up times are about a minute and it's not much slower than when it was new.I have had very few issues,none which I wasn't able to solve myself.I have heard lots of people call Macs over priced pieces of shit.Over priced is debatable,but pieces of shit they are not.How many pc users can say they have gotten 8 years out of a pc?Also I can still use it problem free with 8 apps running while listening to music or watching a movie.Just my two cents.

[rosestone]

Originally Posted by Nobody1

I have absolutely no experience with Apple. But I believe you pay for certain things you usually get for free (regular updates etc.) if you use their products. So, Apple is like voluntarily paying for the free air you breathe, or buying bottled water.

I'm not trying to defend Apple, but every update I've had (of OS, for example) has been free, and in fact, a bit irritating, because it keeps nagging you to do it, and I always put it off for a day, and never get around to it.

As opposed to Windows, and I don't know if they still do this, but they used to release their software before it was finished. That's what all those 'Update 2 of 20, please do not unplug your machine' things were all about. The tech who talked to me about it described it as being like "Selling someone a car, and then saying 'Ok, we'll send you the seats in a few months'".

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by Nobody1

I have absolutely no experience with Apple. But I believe you pay for certain things you usually get for free (regular updates etc.) if you use their products. So, Apple is like voluntarily paying for the free air you breathe, or buying bottled water.

Another myth about Apple,
You don't pay for updates, fact is when you do buy a Mac just about everything you would need is already on there, iMovie and iPhoto which are basic editors
Keynote, Pages and numbers which are the equivalent of Word, Power Point and Excell
Mail, which is err, email
iTunes
Maps
Messages, which is IM and kind if crappy
Dictionary
Calendar , which is great
Quicktime player
DVD player
among all that are some minor gimmicks.

So it will pretty much everything right out of the box, Apple don't install an optical drive anymore, though I did buy their own plug in one and works fine.
Fact is most other manufactures plug in or bluetooth hardware will work with Mac's.

As for paying for things, the on line Apple store has thousands of little gimmick things you can pay for or free. I have bought a better movie and photo editor, A units converter for imperial to metric and so on tool, A system cleaner, A screen shot grabber, A meme creator so I can act stupid on here, A slide show maker. None of those are Apple products but sold through Apple, they all work great as they are higher end products.

As mentioned I did buy MS Office for Mac and also run Norton security,
The only thing I did buy that Apple won't sell and can't buy in a store is a DVD ripper that bypasses copyright protection Aimersoft is the brand and will do more than just rip DVD's, it's also a format converter for video and audio.

Originally Posted by cicciobuki

Ahh ok, i didn't know that. Does it have a scrolly button?

A button, no, but it does scroll , just run your finger lightly over the body of the mouse in the direction you want to go, that includes left and right also.

Originally Posted by Smoke20

How many pc users can say they have gotten 8 years out of a pc?

My actual first PC was my best one, went for about 4 years, a Packard Bell, had the old CRT screen with speakers mounted and clicked into the sides, Win 98 I think and unlike Mac haters I admit when something is good and that was a great machine, but every other PC I had after that was OK at the start until some months later the little things show up. My personal favourite was a Toshiba lap top , blue screen of death 2 months after owning it Made a great frisbee in the end What's the Apple equivalent of the blue screen of death look like anyway I wouldn't have a clue as I've never seen one or for that matter heard of one

You Sir, have obviously bought and enjoyed a quality product

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by rosestone

"Selling someone a car, and then saying 'Ok, we'll send you the seats in a few months'".

And then there's the countless patches for the holes on the seats

[palo5]

Originally Posted by Smoke20

How many pc users can say they have gotten 8 years out of a pc?

I can say that, and millions of others too. But if you use a machine every day, it'd be rare to keep one as old as that as the main workhorse for so long. The reason is that it needs to run software that others use, and sooner or later it either becomes to slow or lacks the appropriate hardware to run modern applications. Technology moves fast

Of course, money is a constraint for many, if not most. It is for me too. I try to get a new machine every 3-4 years. Power-users probably want one every 2 years. In this respect, PC-users definitely have the edge over Apple-friends, because Apple is so unnecessarily expensive

[palo5]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

No, no no!! I didn't say that. The Party is always right, not you!!