Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

I love it

Thread title is about Communism,
That drifts to Commies aren't Marxists

Then it goes to a comment yesterday that the thread starter isn't a Marxist but rather an anarchist ...... and blah blah blah Changes from week to week

You like to be dominated or you never were interested about the definition of freedom. Why not, I can understand you. Thinking about this is not that evident. It's difficult to agree with the fact that we finally are not that free.

But more I think about governments, states, armies, currencies, employments, more I dislike to be manipulated by politicians and their sheeps.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

You like to be dominated or you never were interested about the definition of freedom. Why not, I can understand you. Thinking about this is not that evident. It's difficult to agree with the fact that we finally are not that free.

But more I think about governments, states, armies, currencies, employments, more I dislike to be manipulated by politicians and their sheeps.

Good Lord,

Umm, I fully accept we have laws, a way of life where a majority vote win elections and so on .... I do also fully understand we do not have 100 % freedom in doing whatever the fuck we want,

Doing whatever you want and have 100 % freedom is what you like, anarchy,

Lets say, for arguments sake you and I live in under some kind of social anarchy, I have no idea why I'm there but I am you have a straw hut and I have a straw hut ..... but mine leaks when it rains, I don't know how to fix it and ask you to do it ..... but you can't be bothered, so I beg and you say on the condition I make you a meal, I agree, so you fix my hut, I make your meal of roast beef ....... but you're a Vegan ..... refuse to accept it and ask for another , I won't make another as all you asked for was a meal ...... Things get heated and I decide to break your jaw ...... Hey, it's an anarchy ..... I'm 100 % free to do what I want No consequences ....... unless we have communal laws But who makes these laws better have some kind of agreement among the hippie commune So we have a vote ..... 49 % vote against the new laws ...... Hmm, they're now living under a dictatorship

See where I'm headed with all this Doing whatever you like without consequence just don't work ...... unless we all think exactly the same and have exactly the same personality ........ boring

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

But one must still ask the question: why a King or Queen at all?

« The greatest secret and whole aim of monarchic rule is to keep men deceived, and controlled through fear cloaked in a spurious religious covering, so that they’ll fight for slavery as they would for salvation, and will think it honourable rather than shameful to give their life’s blood so that one man can have something to boast about. But in a free State that is the worst thing one could plan or attempt. To fill each man’s judgment with prejudices, or to restrain it in any way, is flatly contrary to common freedom. »

Spinoza

Finally I'm glad to debate on VEF.
I have to read philosophers that I never read.
Now I'm sure that internet (as a free and unlimited source of informations) is the worst ennemy of the governments.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Good Lord,

Umm, I fully accept we have laws, a way of life where a majority vote win elections and so on .... I do also fully understand we do not have 100 % freedom in doing whatever the fuck we want,

Doing whatever you want and have 100 % freedom is what you like, anarchy,

Lets say, for arguments sake you and I live in under some kind of social anarchy, I have no idea why I'm there but I am you have a straw hut and I have a straw hut ..... but mine leaks when it rains, I don't know how to fix it and ask you to do it ..... but you can't be bothered, so I beg and you say on the condition I make you a meal, I agree, so you fix my hut, I make your meal of roast beef ....... but you're a Vegan ..... refuse to accept it and ask for another , I won't make another as all you asked for was a meal ...... Things get heated and I decide to break your jaw ...... Hey, it's an anarchy ..... I'm 100 % free to do what I want No consequences ....... unless we have communal laws But who makes these laws better have some kind of agreement among the hippie commune So we have a vote ..... 49 % vote against the new laws ...... Hmm, they're now living under a dictatorship

See where I'm headed with all this Doing whatever you like without consequence just don't work ...... unless we all think exactly the same and have exactly the same personality ........ boring

Why do you compare anarchy and savagery ?

You tell me: "Hey help me to fix my hut and I make a meal of roast beef."

I'll answer: "No problem, but no roast beef, please. I'm vegan. But you can prepare more salad and beans instead of roast beef. Is it ok for you?"

And you... as a clever man, you will answer: "For sure my friend. Concluded deal."

And we will not have the government telling us that was hidden job and they have to request some money to redistribute it to ... the army (as example)

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by haroldeye

But one must still ask the question: why a King or Queen at all?

Look at your last load of presidents. Trump, Bush, Clinton and it might give you a clue why we keep the monarchy.

That must be a joke, because Thatcher went on war in Falklands because of elections, Blair was the lackey of Bush Jr and didn't ask the opinion to the British citizens.

What has done your Queen?
Nothing. She let, as in the past, "her" fellow soldiers (who are British citizens) to be killed instead to negociate.

No... All forms of governments are dictatorships.
But of all the forms, Communism would try to be the fairest on Earth.
Because it defends collaboration as fondamental obligation between people, when all the other forms of governments do not defend that principle.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

Tradition old boy it has served us pretty well for hundreds of years and the thought of a two-faced, devious sanctimonious twat like Blair becoming a President scares me more than imagining I'm struggling in an exam and decide to copy some answers off the person sat next to me .... only to find it is Donald Chump

No tradition at all.
I'd like to see the results of a British referendum about conserving the British Monarchy.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

And you... as a clever man, you will answer: "For sure my friend. Concluded deal."

And we will not have the government telling us that was hidden job and they have to request some money to redistribute it to ... the army (as example)

Too simple an answer, I was using it as an example .... the point of my post was the laws we make and live under ....... who decides on them ??? answer that one ... as an Anarchist

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Too simple an answer, I was using it as an example .... the point of my post was the laws we make and live under ....... who decides on them ??? answer that one ... as an Anarchist

I will reply in both cases:

1) As today citizen you never wrote one law. You have to follow them or to pay a lawyer to defend your interpretation of the law.

2) As anarchist, the two parties define in each case how they agree to collaborate.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

1) As today citizen you never wrote one law. You have to follow them or to pay a lawyer to defend your interpretation of the law.

So

Originally Posted by xyzde69

2) As anarchist, the two parties define in each case how they agree to collaborate.

2 parties now so we do have some kind of leaders in an anarchy or ab authority or decision makers and what if they cannot agree on an outcome and what if I as a hippie commune dweller don't like any possible outcome, or 49% of the commune don't like it aren't they as you stated living under a dictatorship

and same happens in quote below, if I'm not in a party but just a common anarchy community member

Originally Posted by xyzde69

1) As today citizen you never wrote one law. You have to follow them

Right there,

Your systems and arguments just continually fall apart Mate, why bother have 2 parties write a law in an anarchy ??? Logic there goes way way way over my head.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

You do realize that it wasn't George III's decision to use force against the American colonists ? As I said before He couldn't declare on anyone.
I can just see Duchess Kate getting a job in a factory somewhere..

It was King George's speech to parliament in 1775 which moved them to expand their action against the colonies for their "intransigence":

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...ican-rebellion

His speech:

https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classro...s/address.html

Not exactly neutral on the subject.

Apparently George III also suffered from certain maladies which caused him to exhibit symptoms of madness.

Bad presidents last at best for 8 years, a mad monarch you are saddled with for a lifetime.

Given that the Royals would no doubt permitted to keep most of their wealth if they departed the government for good, I doubt that Kate would ever have to work in a factory. Although she would make a very cute McDonald's drive-through window girl.

Any ex-Royal family member for generations to come would no doubt have a cushy life sitting on various boards and giving the occasional speech to enthralled commoners.